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== Music ==
== Music ==
{{See also|:Category:10edo tracks}}
{{See also|:Category:10edo tracks}}
* [https://www.reverbnation.com/1029821/album/172734 ZIA Space] "Who Loves You, Me?", "Champagne", and "Avatar" by [[Elaine Walker]]
 
* [https://soundcloud.com/overtoneshock/fiat-circadia-10-edo Fiat Circadia] by [https://www.stephenweigelcomposerperformer.com/ Stephen Weigel]
'''[[User:Дмитрий Баженов|Dmitry Bazhenov]]'''
* [http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/%7Esethares/xentone.html Ten Fingers]{{dead link}} [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Sethares/Ten_Fingers.mp3 play]{{dead link}} by [[Bill Sethares]] (synth guitar)
* ''[https://soundcloud.com/user-544568549/ey-ule-hey-ule Hey, ule!]'' (second part only) (2020)
* [http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/%7Esethares/xentone.html Circle of Thirds]{{dead link}} [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Sethares/Circle_of_Thirds.mp3 play]{{dead link}} by Bill Sethares (synth ens.)
* ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU1Cpe1Szo8 Струнка]'' (''Strunka'') (2021)
* [http://www.akjmusic.com/works.html 10_fantasy]{{dead link}} [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/AKJ/10_fantasy.mp3 play]{{dead link}} by [[Aaron Krister Johnson]] (synth monody)
 
* [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Hunt/Prelude%20in%2010ET.mp3 Prelude in 10ET]{{dead link}} by [[Aaron Andrew Hunt]]
'''Evan Bennet'''
* [https://soundcloud.com/uz1kt3k/fugue-in-10et Fugue in 10ET | SoundCloud] by Aaron Andrew Hunt, 2015
* ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbAsmGuPAuo&list=PLdd4_BAP8pSsQHA8Sf3_wwTbVYSr9iJDy&index=15 Microtonal Moment Musicale 2]'' (2018)
* [http://www.ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Future.html Future] [http://ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Future.mp3 play] and [http://www.ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Sol.html Sol] [http://ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Sol.mp3 play] by ZIA (synths and voice in 10)
 
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20161013092841/http://azuma-asobi.com/Music/RhinoPrelude-2003-02-22.mp3 Prelude] by [[Rick McGowan]] (Rhino synthesizer)
'''Cenobyte'''
* [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Igs/City%20Of%20The%20Asleep%20-%20Ideas%20on%20the%20Waterfall%20of%20Expression.mp3 Ideas on the Waterfall of Expression]{{dead link}} by [[City of the Asleep]] (synth)
* ''[[:File:10preview.ogg|10preview]]'' (2018)
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/daily20110713_q49_10_viola_duet_and_gongs.mp3 For two violas and gongs] by [[Chris Vaisvil]] [http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1039 Details]
* ''[[:File:decexperiment.ogg|decexperiment]]'' (2018)
* [http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/Blues10.mp3 Blues 10]'' by [[Carlo Serafini]] ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/dd7ee3a756851e812778e2fb222b5c47-168.html blog entry])''
 
* [http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/Waltz10.mp3 Waltz 10]'' by [[Carlo Serafini]] ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/875fbcf1467c4ed837ac1ba4b666d417-169.html blog entry])''
'''[[City of the Asleep]]'''
* [http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/Smooth10.mp3 Smooth 10]'' by [[Carlo Serafini]] ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/65405f5999f3960d5704b83c7318c673-170.html blog entry])''
* "[https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/track/ideas-on-the-waterfall-of-expression Ideas on the Waterfall of Expression]", from ''[https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/album/map-of-an-internal-landscape-reissue Map of an Internal Landscape]'' (2007)
* [http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/10PRS.mp3 10 PRS]'' by [[Carlo Serafini]] ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/be240f62b27fe8b738f44749e5f8c414-296.html blog entry])''
* "[https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/track/sad-mike-10edo Sad Mike]", from ''[https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/album/cloiiids CLOIIIDS]'' (2018)
* [[:File:10preview.ogg|10preview.ogg]] A sample of orchestral possibilities made using ZynAddSubFx under Linux ([[cenobyte]])
 
* [[:File:decexperiment.ogg|decexperiment.ogg]] 3 tracks made in ZynAddSubFx simply mixed in Audacity (cenobyte)
'''Clem Fortuna''' ([http://web.archive.org/web/20181106171816/http://clemfortuna.com/ website] (archived))
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10_earwigs_invasive.mp3 10 Earwigs Invasive] by Chris Vaisvil [http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1397 Details]
* ''[https://soundcloud.com/clem-fortuna/10tone 10Tone]'' (2015)
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Winchester/09%20-%209.%2010%20octave.mp3 Comets Over Flatland 9]{{dead link}} by [[Randy Winchester]]
 
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/daily20110923-10edo_dramatic_squirrel_overture.mp3 The Dramatic Squirrel Overture] by Chris Vaisvil [http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368 Details]
'''[[Andrew Heathwaite]] and [[Chris Vaisvil]]'''
* [https://andrewheathwaite.bandcamp.com/track/shimmerwing Shimmerwing] by [[Andrew Heathwaite]] and Chris Vaisvil
* "[https://andrewheathwaite.bandcamp.com/track/shimmerwing Shimmerwing]", from ''[https://andrewheathwaite.bandcamp.com/album/newbeams Newbeams]'' (2012)
* [https://soundcloud.com/martinsj013/sirmdbidnud2 Shall I Refuse My Dinner] by [[Steve Martin]] on SoundCloud
 
* [https://soundcloud.com/clem-fortuna/10tone 10-tone demo] by [http://clemfortuna.com Clem Fortuna]{{dead link}}
'''[[Aaron Andrew Hunt]]'''
* [https://soundcloud.com/user-544568549/ey-ule-hey-ule Hey, ule!] by [[User:Дмитрий Баженов|Dmitry Bazhenov]] (second part in 10-edo)
* "[https://aaronandrewhunt.bandcamp.com/track/prelude-in-10et Prelude in 10ET]", from ''[https://aaronandrewhunt.bandcamp.com/album/the-equal-tempered-keyboard The Equal-Tempered Keyboard]'' (1999-2022)
* [https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/track/sad-mike-10edo Sad Mike (10EDO)] by [[City of the Asleep]]
* "[https://aaronandrewhunt.bandcamp.com/track/fugue-a3-in-10et Fugue a3 in 10ET]", from ''The Equal-Tempered Keyboard'' (1999-2022) ([https://soundcloud.com/uz1kt3k/fugue-in-10et SoundCloud])
* [https://youtu.be/gZrD3gHUnnM Bit Crystals] by [[User:Userminusone|Userminusone]]
 
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU1Cpe1Szo8 Струнка (10-РДО) | Strunka (10-EDO) - YouTube] by [[User:Дмитрий Баженов|Dmitry Bazhenov]]
'''[[Aaron Krister Johnson]]'''
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbAsmGuPAuo&list=PLdd4_BAP8pSsQHA8Sf3_wwTbVYSr9iJDy&index=15 Microtonal moment musicale 2] by Evan Bennet
* ''[http://web.archive.org/web/20070613204725/http://www.akjmusic.com:80/audio/10_fantasy.ogg 10 fantasy]'' (≤2005)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtoRNALtg3I&list=PLdd4_BAP8pSsQHA8Sf3_wwTbVYSr9iJDy&index=4 Three weeping tyrants] by Stephen Weigel
 
'''Steve Martin'''
* ''[https://soundcloud.com/martinsj013/sirmdbidnud2 Shall I Refuse My Dinner]'' (2012)
 
'''[[Rick McGowan]]'''
* ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20161013092841/http://azuma-asobi.com/Music/RhinoPrelude-2003-02-22.mp3 Rhino Prelude]'' (2003) ([https://web.archive.org/web/20161013092841/http://azuma-asobi.com/Music/index.html details])
 
'''[[Carlo Serafini]]'''
* ''[http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/Blues10.mp3 Blues 10]'' (2013) ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/dd7ee3a756851e812778e2fb222b5c47-168.html details])
* ''[http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/Waltz10.mp3 Waltz 10]'' (2013) ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/875fbcf1467c4ed837ac1ba4b666d417-169.html details])
* ''[http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/Smooth10.mp3 Smooth 10]'' (2013) ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/65405f5999f3960d5704b83c7318c673-170.html details])
* ''[http://www.seraph.it/dep/det/10PRS.mp3 10 PRS]'' (2020) ([http://www.seraph.it/blog_files/be240f62b27fe8b738f44749e5f8c414-296.html details])
 
'''[[Bill Sethares]]'''
* "[https://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/mp3s/Ten_Fingers.mp3 Ten Fingers]", from ''[https://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/xentone.html Xentonality]'' (1997)
* "[https://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/mp3s/circleofthirds.html Circle of Thirds]", from ''Xentonality'' (1997)
 
'''[[User:Userminusone|Userminusone]]'''
* ''[https://youtu.be/gZrD3gHUnnM Bit Crystals]'' (2021)
 
'''[[Chris Vaisvil]]'''
* ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/daily20110713_q49_10_viola_duet_and_gongs.mp3 For 2 Violas and Gongs in 10 edo]'' (2011) ([http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1039 details])
* ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/daily20110923-10edo_dramatic_squirrel_overture.mp3 The Dramatic Squirrel Overture]'' (2011) ([http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1368 details])
* ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/10edo/10_earwigs_invasive.mp3 10 Earwigs Invasive]'' (2011) ([http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=1397 details])
 
'''[[Stephen Weigel]]'''
* ''[https://soundcloud.com/overtoneshock/fiat-circadia-10-edo Fiat Circadia]'' (2018)
* ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtoRNALtg3I&list=PLdd4_BAP8pSsQHA8Sf3_wwTbVYSr9iJDy&index=4 Three Weeping Tyrants]'' (2020)
 
'''[[Randy Winchester]]'''
* "[https://archive.org/details/jamendo-005173/09.mp3 9. 10 / octave]", from ''[[Comets Over Flatland]]'' (2007)
 
'''[[ZIA]]'''
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/sol-10edo Sol]", from ''[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/album/zia-15-1992 ZIA 1.5]'' (1992) ([http://www.ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Sol.html details])
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/agribusiness-10edo Agribusiness]", from ''ZIA 1.5'' (1992) ([http://www.ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Agribusiness.html details])
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/future-10edo Future]", from ''[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/album/shem-1996 SHEM]'' (1996) ([http://www.ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/Future.html details])
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/river-10edo River]", from ''SHEM'' (1996) ([http://www.ziaspace.com/ZIA/mp3s/River.html details])
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/who-loves-you-me-10edo Who Loves You.. Me?]", from ''[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/album/drum-n-space-2011 Drum 'n' Space]'' (2011)
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/champagne-10edo Champagne]", from ''Drum 'n' Space'' (2011)
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/love-is-the-catalyst-10edo Love is the Catalyst]", from ''Drum 'n' Space'' (2011)
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/decagon-dancefloor-10edo Decagon Dancefloor]", from ''[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/album/trapezoid-2019 Trapezoid]'' (2019)
* "[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/track/matter-over-mind-10edo Matter Over Mind]", from ''[https://ziaspace.bandcamp.com/album/trapezoid-2019 No Terrestrial Road]" (2020)


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Revision as of 01:32, 22 September 2022

← 9edo 10edo 11edo →
Prime factorization 2 × 5
Step size 120 ¢ 
Fifth 6\10 (720 ¢) (→ 3\5)
Semitones (A1:m2) 2:0 (240 ¢ : 0 ¢)
Consistency limit 7
Distinct consistency limit 3

10 equal divisions of the octave (10edo), or 10-tone equal temperament (10tet, 10et) when viewed from a regular temperament perspective, is the tuning system that divides the octave into ten equal steps of exactly 120 cents.

Theory

Approximation of prime harmonics in 10edo
Harmonic 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31
Error Absolute (¢) +0.0 +18.0 -26.3 -8.8 +48.7 -0.5 +15.0 -57.5 -28.3 +50.4 +55.0
Relative (%) +0.0 +15.0 -21.9 -7.4 +40.6 -0.4 +12.5 -47.9 -23.6 +42.0 +45.8
Steps
(reduced)
10
(0)
16
(6)
23
(3)
28
(8)
35
(5)
37
(7)
41
(1)
42
(2)
45
(5)
49
(9)
50
(0)

10edo can be thought of as two circles of 5edo separated by 120 cents (or 5 circles of 2edo). It adds to 5edo a small neutral second (or large minor 2nd) and its inversion a large neutral seventh (or small major 7th); an excellent approximation of 13/8 and its inversion 16/13; and the familiar 600-cent tritone that appears in every even-numbered edo. Taking the the 360 cent large neutral third as a generator produces a heptatonic moment of symmetry scale of the form 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 (3L 4s - mosh). While not an integral or gap edo, it is a zeta peak edo. One way to interpret it in terms of a temperament of just intonation is as a 2.7.13.15 subgroup, such that 105/104, 225/224, and 16807/16384 are tempered out. It can also be treated as a full 13-limit temperament, but it is a closer match to the aforementioned subgroup.

Intervals

Degree Cents Approximate Ratios[1] Additional Ratios
of 3, 5 and 9[2]
Interval Names Ups and Downs Notation Audio
0 0 1/1 256/243, 50/49, 25/24 unison unison, min 2nd P1, m2 D, Eb
1 120 16/15, 15/14, 14/13 10/9, 13/12, 81/80 neutral second mid 2nd ~2 ^D, vE
2 240 8/7, 15/13, 144/125, 224/195 9/8, 7/6 hemifourth, major second, minor third maj 2nd, min 3rd M2, m3 E, F
3 360 16/13 5/4 neutral third mid 3rd ~3 ^F, vG
4 480 64/49, 169/128 4/3, 9/7, 13/10 perfect fourth maj 3rd, perf 4th M3, P4 F#, G
5 600 91/64, 128/91, 169/120, 240/169 7/5, 10/7, 13/9, 18/13 hemioctave up 4th, down 5th ^4, v5 ^G, vA
6 720 49/32, 256/169 3/2, 14/9, 20/13 perfect fifth perf 5th, min 6th P5, m6 A, Bb
7 840 13/8 8/5 neutral sixth mid 6th ~6 ^A, vB
8 960 7/4, 26/15, 125/72, 195/112 16/9, 12/7 hemitwelfth, major sixth, minor seventh maj 6th, min 7th M6, m7 B, C
9 1080 15/8, 28/15, 13/7 9/5, 24/13, 160/81 neutral seventh mid 7th ~7 ^C, vD
10 1200 2/1 243/128, 49/25, 48/25 octave maj 7th, octave M7, P8 C#, D
  1. based on treating 10edo as a 2.7.13.15 subgroup temperament
  2. adding the ratios of 3, 5 and 9 introduces greater error while giving several more harmonic identities to the 10-edo intervals

This is the diatonic notation, generated by 5ths (6\10, representing 3/2). Alternative notations include pentatonic fifth-generated and heptatonic 3rd-generated.

Pentatonic 5th-generated: D * E * G * A * C * D (generator = 3/2 = 6\10 = perfect 5thoid)

D - D^/Ev - E - E^/Gv - G - G^/Av - A - A^/Cv - C - C^/Dv - D

1 - ^1/vs3 - s3 - ^s3/v4d - 4d - ^4d/v5d - 5d - ^5d/vs7 - s7 - ^s7/v8d - 8d (s = sub-, d = -oid)

pentatonic gencircles of fifths: ...D - A - E - C - G - D... and ...^D - ^A - ^E - ^C - ^G - ^D... (or equivalently ...vD - vA - vE - vC - vG - vD...)

pentatonic gencircles of fifths: ...1 - 5d - s3 - s7 - 4d - 1... and ...^1 - ^5d - ^s3 - ^s7 - ^4d - ^1... (or equivalently ...v1 - v5d - vs3 - vs7 - v4d - v1...) (s = sub-, d = -oid)

Heptatonic 3rd-generated: D E * F G * A B * C D (generator = 3\10 = perfect 3rd)

D - E - E#/Fb - F - G - G#/Ab - A - B - B#/Cb - C - D

P1 - m2 - M2 - P3 - m4 - M4/m5 - M5 - P6 - m7 - M7 - P8

genchain of 3rds: ...Db - Fb - Ab - Cb - E - G - B - D - F - A - C - E# - G# - B# - D#... ("Every good boy deserves fudge and candy")

genchain of 3rds: ...d8 - d3 - m5 - m7 - m2 - m4 - P6 - P1 - P3 - M5 - M7 - M2 - M4 - A6 - A1...

JI approximation

Selected just intervals by error

Selected 13-limit intervals

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Regular temperament properties

Subgroup Comma list Mapping Optimal
8ve stretch (¢)
Tuning error
Absolute (¢) Relative (%)
2.3.5 25/24, 256/243 [10 16 23]] -0.09 9.27 7.73
2.3.5.7 25/24, 28/27, 49/48 [10 16 23 28]] +0.72 8.15 6.79
  • 10et is lower in relative error than any previous equal temperaments in the 7- and 17-limit. The next equal temperaments doing better in those subgroups are 12 and 19eg, respectively.
  • 10et is prominent in the 2.3.7.13, 2.3.5.7.13, 2.3.7.13.17, and 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroup. The next equal temperaments doing better in those subgroups are 17, 19, 36 and 31, respectively.

Rank-2 temperaments

Periods
per octave
Generator Temperament(s)
1 1\10 Negri, miracle (out-of-tune)
1 3\10 Dicot / beatles / neutral
2 1\10 Pajara (out-of-tune)
2 2\10 Decimal, lemba (out-of-tune)
5 1\10 Blackwood / blacksmith

Scales

1\10 MOS
1\10 MOS with 1L 1s, 1L 2s, 1L 3s, 1L 4s, 1L 5s, 1L 6s, 1L 7s, and 1L 8s
3\10 MOS with 1L 1s, 1L 2s, 3L 1s, 3L 4s

Pathological scales

  • 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 2L 6s MOS
  • 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1L 7s MOS
  • 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1L 8s MOS

Commas

10et tempers out the following commas. This assumes the val 10 16 23 28 35 37].

Prime
Limit
Ratio[1] Monzo Cents Color name Name(s)
3 256/243 [8 -5 90.22 Sawa Limma, Pythagorean diatonic semitone
5 25/24 [-3 -1 2 70.67 Yoyo Classic chromatic semitone, dicot comma
5 16875/16384 [-14 3 4 51.12 Laquadyo Negri comma, double augmentation diesis
5 (16 digits) [-25 7 6 31.57 Lala-tribiyo Ampersand, Ampersand's comma
5 2048/2025 [11 -4 -2 19.55 Sagugu Diaschisma
7 525/512 [-9 1 2 1 43.41 Lazoyoyo Avicennma, Avicenna's enharmonic diesis
7 49/48 [-4 -1 0 2 35.70 Zozo Slendro diesis
7 50/49 [1 0 2 -2 34.98 Biruyo Tritonic diesis, jubilisma
7 686/675 [1 -3 -2 3 27.99 Trizo-agugu Senga
7 64/63 [6 -2 0 -1 27.26 Ru Septimal comma, Archytas' comma, Leipziger Komma
7 (18 digits) [-10 7 8 -7 22.41 Lasepru-aquadbiyo Blackjackisma
7 1029/1024 [-10 1 0 3 8.43 Latrizo Gamelisma
7 225/224 [-5 2 2 -1 7.71 Ruyoyo Septimal kleisma, marvel comma
7 16875/16807 [0 3 4 -5 6.99 Quinru-aquadyo Mirkwai
7 (24 digits) [11 -10 -10 10 5.57 Saquinbizogu Linus
7 2401/2400 [-5 -1 -2 4 0.72 Bizozogu Breedsma
11 243/242 [-1 5 0 0 -2 7.14 Lulu Rastma
11 385/384 [-7 -1 1 1 1 4.50 Lozoyo Keenanisma
11 441/440 [-3 2 -1 2 -1 3.93 Luzozogu Werckisma
11 540/539 [2 3 1 -2 -1 3.21 Lururuyo Swetisma
11 3025/3024 [-4 -3 2 -1 2 0.57 Loloruyoyo Lehmerisma
13 91/90 [-1 -2 -1 1 0 1 19.13 Thozogu Superleap
13 196/195 [2 -1 -1 2 0 -1 8.86 Thuzozogu Mynucuma
13 676/675 [2 -3 -2 0 0 2 2.56 Bithogu Island comma, parizeksma
  1. Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints

Diagrams

10edo wheel.png

Instruments

10edo lends itself exceptionally well to guitar (and other fretted strings), on account of the fact that five of its flat 4ths (at 480 cents) exactly spans two octaves (480 × 5 = 2400), meaning the open strings can be uniformly tuned in 4ths. This allows for greater uniformity in chord and scale fingering patterns than in 12edo, making it exceptionally easy to learn. For instance, the fingering for an "E" chord would be 0-2-2-1-0-0 (low to high), an "A" chord would be 0-0-2-2-1-0, and a "D" chord would be 1-0-0-2-2-1. This is also the case in all edos which are multiples of 5, but in 10-edo it is particularly simple.

Retuning a conventional keyboard to 10edo may be done in many ways, but neglecting or making redundant the Eb and Ab keys preserves the sLsLsLs scale on the white keys. Redundancy may make modulation easier, but another option is tuning the superfluous keys to selections from 20edo which approximates the 11th harmonic with relative accuracy, among other features.

Decaphonic_Classic_Guitar.png
A Decaphonic (10edo) Classical Guitar

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Music

Dmitry Bazhenov

Evan Bennet

Cenobyte

City of the Asleep

Clem Fortuna (website (archived))

Andrew Heathwaite and Chris Vaisvil

Aaron Andrew Hunt

Aaron Krister Johnson

Steve Martin

Rick McGowan

Carlo Serafini

Bill Sethares

Userminusone

Chris Vaisvil

Stephen Weigel

Randy Winchester

ZIA