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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Ratio = 10/9
| Name = small whole tone, classic(al) whole tone, ptolemaic whole tone
| Monzo = 1 -2 1
| Cents = 182.40371
| Name = small whole tone
| Color name = y2, yo 2nd
| Color name = y2, yo 2nd
| FJS name = M2<sup>5</sup>
| Sound = jid_10_9_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_10_9_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
}}
}}
{{Wikipedia|Major second}}
{{Wikipedia|Major second}}


In [[5-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''10/9''' is a '''small whole tone''' of about 182.4¢. It is a [[superparticular]] interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is [[9/8]] (about 203.9¢), which is [[81/80]] (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to [[12edo]]'s single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.
In [[5-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''10/9''' is the '''small''', '''classic(al)''', or '''ptolemaic whole tone'''<ref>For reference, see [[5-limit]]. </ref> of about 182.4¢. It is a [[superparticular]] interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is [[9/8]] (about 203.9¢), which is [[81/80]] (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to [[12edo]]'s single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.


The first three notes of a JI major scale – 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 – move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9 (or alternatively 1/1, 10/9, 5/4 – move by a step of 10/9 followed by a step of 9/8). In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, [[19edo]], [[31edo]] and other [[meantone]] systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference may be hard to notice at first.
The first three notes of a JI major scale – 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 – move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9 (or alternatively 1/1, 10/9, 5/4 – move by a step of 10/9 followed by a step of 9/8). In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, [[19edo]], [[31edo]] and other [[meantone]] systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference may be hard to notice at first.
== Approximations ==
{{interval edo approximation}}
== Temperaments ==
The following [[linear temperament]]s are [[generate]]d by a [[~]]10/9:
* [[Porcupine]]
* [[Minortone]]
{{todo|complete list}}


== See also ==  
== See also ==  
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* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]


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== Notes ==
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Latest revision as of 00:47, 27 November 2025

Interval information
Ratio 10/9
Factorization 2 × 3-2 × 5
Monzo [1 -2 1
Size in cents 182.4037¢
Names small whole tone,
classic(al) whole tone,
ptolemaic whole tone
Color name y2, yo 2nd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M2}^{5} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 6.49185
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 6.64386
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 13

[sound info]
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In 5-limit just intonation, 10/9 is the small, classic(al), or ptolemaic whole tone[1] of about 182.4¢. It is a superparticular interval, as you can find it in the harmonic series between the 9th and the 10th overtones. It is one of two essential whole tones in the 5-limit; the other one is 9/8 (about 203.9¢), which is 81/80 (about 21.5¢) higher than 10/9. 9/8 is an octave-reduced overtone, and it is closer to 12edo's single whole step of 200¢. Thus, 9/8 is more familiar and less difficult to tune by ear than 10/9.

The first three notes of a JI major scale – 1/1, 9/8, 5/4 – move by a step of 9/8 followed by a step of 10/9 (or alternatively 1/1, 10/9, 5/4 – move by a step of 10/9 followed by a step of 9/8). In systems where 81/80 is tempered out (in 12edo, 19edo, 31edo and other meantone systems) that distinction is lost and this sounds like two equal-sized steps. In strict JI, the difference may be hard to notice at first.

Approximations

Edo approximations for 10/9 (182.40 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
6 1\6 200.00 +17.60 +8.80
7 1\7 171.43 -10.98 -6.40
13 2\13 184.62 +2.21 +2.40
20 3\20 180.00 -2.40 -4.01
26 4\26 184.62 +2.21 +4.79
33 5\33 181.82 -0.59 -1.61
39 6\39 184.62 +2.21 +7.19
40 6\40 180.00 -2.40 -8.01
46 7\46 182.61 +0.20 +0.79
52 8\52 184.62 +2.21 +9.58
53 8\53 181.13 -1.27 -5.62
59 9\59 183.05 +0.65 +3.18
66 10\66 181.82 -0.59 -3.22
72 11\72 183.33 +0.93 +5.58
73 11\73 180.82 -1.58 -9.62
79 12\79 182.28 -0.13 -0.82

Temperaments

The following linear temperaments are generated by a ~10/9:

See also

Notes

  1. For reference, see 5-limit.