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The '''quince clan''' tempers out quince, the no-threes comma {{monzo| -15 0 -2 7 }} = 823543/819200. Quince temperaments include:
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* [[Starling temperaments #Casablanca|Casablanca]] ({126/125, 589824/588245})
The '''quince clan''' [[Tempering out|tempers out]] the [[quince comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -15 0 -2 7 }}, [[ratio]]: 823543/819200).
* [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|Miracle]] ({225/224, 1029/1024})
* [[Ragismic microtemperaments #Quincy|Quincy]] ({4375/4374, 823543/819200})
* [[31-comma temperaments #Birds|Birds]] ({3136/3125, 823543/819200})
* [[Varunismic temperaments #Octowerck|Octowerck]] ({321489/320000, 420175/419904})
* [[Hemimage temperaments #Cotoneum|Cotoneum]] ({10976/10935, 823543/819200})


= No-threes Quince =
== Mercy ==
Subgroup: 2.5.7
Mercy is the no-3 version of [[miracle]]. Two generators make [[~]][[8/7]], five generators make ~[[7/5]], and seven make ~[[8/5]]. The [[ploidacot]] for this temperament is omega-heptaseph.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 823543/819200
[[Comma list]]: 823543/819200


[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{val| 1 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -7 -2 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 3 3 | 0 -7 -2 }}
 
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 3 3 | 0 0 -7 -2 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~343/320
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2169{{c}}, ~343/320 = 116.3116{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.217 +0.156 -0.798 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~343/320 = 116.2576{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.117 -1.341 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 21, 31, 134, 165, 196, 227, 485d, 712d, 1197dd }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.428
 
=== Overview to extensions ===
Temperaments discussed elsewhere are:
* ''[[Casablanca]]'' (+126/125) → [[Starling temperaments #Casablanca|Starling temperaments]]
* [[Miracle]] (+225/224) → [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|Gamelismic clan]]
* ''[[Slendi]]'' (+4000/3969) → [[Octagar temperaments #Slendi|Octagar temperaments]]
* ''[[Quincy]]'' (+4375/4374) → [[Ragismic microtemperaments #Quincy|Ragismic microtemperaments]]
* ''[[Birds]]'' (+3136/3125) → [[31st-octave temperaments #Birds|31st-octave temperaments]]
* ''[[Octowerck]]'' (+321489/320000 or 420175/419904) → [[Varunismic temperaments #Octowerck|Varunismic temperaments]]
* [[Cotoneum]] (+10976/10935) → [[Garischismic clan #Cotoneum|Garischismic clan]]
 
Discussed below is countermiracle.
 
== Countermiracle ==
The countermiracle temperament tempers out the porwell comma ([[6144/6125]]), the trimyna comma ([[50421/50000]]) and the quince comma ([[823543/819200]]). It can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 145 }} temperament, and finds the [[3/2|perfect fifth]] -25 generators away (normalized for 2.5.7) as opposed to miracle's +6 generators. It has the [[ploidacot]] signature of 22-sheared 25-cot.
 
Like miracle, it is naturally an 11-limit temperament with the generator representing [[77/72]], but here the generator does not represent [[15/14]] or [[16/15]].
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 6144/6125, 50421/50000
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -21 -4 1 | 0 25 7 2 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~625/336
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.7944{{c}}, ~625/336 = 1083.8973{{c}} (~343/320 = 115.8970{{c}})
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.206 -0.203 +1.790 -1.237 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~625/336 = 1084.0787{{c}} (~343/320 = 115.9213{{c}})
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.013 +2.237 -0.669 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 114, 145, 176 }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.59
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 441/440, 3388/3375, 6144/6125
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 | 0 25 7 2 47 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7942{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1083.8983{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8959{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.0798{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.9202{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 114e, 145, 176 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.29
 
==== Countermiraculous ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 196/195, 352/351, 1001/1000, 6144/6125
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 29 | 0 25 7 2 47 -28 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4465{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1083.6196{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8268{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.1148{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8852{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 83e, 114e, 145, 321ceff }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.62
 
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 196/195, 256/255, 352/351, 1001/1000, 1225/1224
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 29 33 | 0 25 7 2 47 -28 -32 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4013{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1083.5835{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8178{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.1219{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8781{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 83e, 114e, 145 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.50
 
==== Counterbenediction ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 351/350, 441/440, 3146/3125, 3584/3575
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 29 57 | 0 25 7 2 47 -59 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9460{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.0178{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.9283{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.0663{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.9337{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 145f, 176, 207 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.88
 
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 351/350, 441/440, 561/560, 1632/1625, 3146/3125
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 29 57 61 | 0 25 7 2 47 -59 -63 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9950{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.0564{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.9386{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.0609{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.9391{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 176, 207 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.85
 
==== Countermanna ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 364/363, 441/440, 3388/3375, 6144/6125
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 -102 | 0 25 7 2 47 117 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6687{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1083.8108{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8578{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.1065{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8935{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31f, 145, 176, 321ce }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 2.21
 
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 364/363, 441/440, 595/594, 1632/1625, 3388/3375
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -39 -102 -98 | 0 25 7 2 47 117 113 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6458{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1083.7968{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8490{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~144/77 = 1084.1132{{c}} (~77/72 = 115.8868{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31fg, 145, 321ce }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 2.08
 
=== Counterrevelation ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 50421/50000
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -11 | 0 25 7 2 16 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.1897{{c}}, ~275/147 = 1084.2521{{c}} (~343/320 = 115.9375{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~275/147 = 1084.0850{{c}} (~343/320 = 115.9150{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 114, 145e }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 2.12
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 13750/13689
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -11 29 | 0 25 7 2 16 -28 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.7651{{c}}, ~220/117 = 1083.9253{{c}} (~117/110 = 115.8398{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~220/117 = 1084.1357{{c}} (~117/110 = 115.8643{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 83, 114 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 2.38
 
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 121/120, 154/153, 176/175, 196/195, 10647/10625
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 -4 1 -11 29 33 | 0 25 7 2 16 -28 -32 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6935{{c}}, ~170/91 = 1083.8704{{c}} (~91/85 = 115.8231{{c}})
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~170/91 = 1084.1464{{c}} (~91/85 = 115.8536{{c}})
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 83, 114 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 2.24
 
== Subgroup extensions ==
=== Mercy (2.5.7.13) ===
This extension may be thought of as a way to conceptualize the 2.5.7.13.17.19 subgroup of [[31edo]].
 
Subgroup: 2.5.7.13
 
Comma list: 343/338, 640/637
 
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 3 4 | 0 -7 -2 -3 }}
 
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 3 0 4 | 0 0 -7 -2 0 -3 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.2166{{c}}, ~14/13 = 116.0181{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~14/13 = 116.2099{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 21, 31 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.546
 
==== 2.5.7.13.17 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.5.7.13.17
 
Comma list: 170/169, 224/221, 343/338
 
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 3 4 4 | 0 -7 -2 -3 1 }}
 
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 3 0 4 4 | 0 0 -7 -2 0 -3 1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1198.5476{{c}}, ~14/13 = 115.6294{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~14/13 = 115.9132{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 21, 31, 83fg }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.451
 
==== 2.5.7.13.17.19 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.5.7.13.17.19
 
Comma list: 170/169, 224/221, 343/338, 476/475


Mapping generators: ~2, ~343/320
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 3 4 4 3 | 0 -7 -2 -3 1 13 }}


Gencom mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 0 -7 -2 }}]
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 3 0 4 4 3 | 0 0 -7 -2 0 -3 1 13 }}


[[Gencom]]: [2 343/320; 823543/819200]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1198.4839{{c}}, ~14/13 = 115.5700{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~14/13 = 115.7299{{c}}


[[POTE generator]]: ~343/320 = 116.291
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10h, 21, 31, 52f, 83fg }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 10, 21, 31, 134, 165, 196, 227, 485d, 712d, 1197dd }}
Badness (Sintel): 0.759


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