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| <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">In [[13-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 13/12 is a neutral second of about 138.6¢. It is also a [[superparticular]] interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th overtone (between [[13_8|13/8]] and [[3_2|3/2]] in the octave). It is flat of the [[11-limit]] lesser neutral second of [[12_11|12/11]] by [[144_143|144/143]] (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of [[14_13|14/13]] by [[169_168|169/168]] (about 10.3¢).
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| The neutral second in [[17edo]] is about 141.2¢, about 2.6¢ sharp of 13/12. Thus, if 10\17edo (ten degrees of 17edo) is taken to approximate 3/2 and 12\17edo taken to approximate 13/8, you can generate a 13-limit harmonic triad that approximates an 8:12:13 chord with a good 13/12.
| | In [[13-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''13/12''' is the '''(lesser) tridecimal neutral second''' of about 138.6¢. It is a [[superparticular]] interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th harmonics (between [[13/8]] and [[3/2]] in the octave). It is flat of the [[11-limit]] lesser neutral second of [[12/11]] by [[144/143]] (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of [[14/13]] by [[169/168]] (about 10.3¢). |
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| See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]</pre></div>
| | == Approximation == |
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| | It is approximated to within about 0.11 [[cents]] by the 3-step interval of [[26edo]]. |
| <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>13_12</title></head><body>In <a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit">13-limit</a> <a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation">Just Intonation</a>, 13/12 is a neutral second of about 138.6¢. It is also a <a class="wiki_link" href="/superparticular">superparticular</a> interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th overtone (between <a class="wiki_link" href="/13_8">13/8</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/3_2">3/2</a> in the octave). It is flat of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit">11-limit</a> lesser neutral second of <a class="wiki_link" href="/12_11">12/11</a> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/144_143">144/143</a> (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of <a class="wiki_link" href="/14_13">14/13</a> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/169_168">169/168</a> (about 10.3¢).<br />
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| The neutral second in <a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo">17edo</a> is about 141.2¢, about 2.6¢ sharp of 13/12. Thus, if 10\17edo (ten degrees of 17edo) is taken to approximate 3/2 and 12\17edo taken to approximate 13/8, you can generate a 13-limit harmonic triad that approximates an 8:12:13 chord with a good 13/12.<br />
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| | 13/12 can be used to generate [[bleu]] temperament in the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup, mapping [[3/2]] to +5 generators, [[7/4]] to +7 generators, [[11/8]] to +4 generators, and [[13/8]] to +6 generators. |
| See: <a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals">Gallery of Just Intervals</a></body></html></pre></div> | | |
| | A slightly sharp 13/12 generates [[glacier]] temperament, which equates 5 13/12's to 3/2 like bleu. This temperament has an extension to the 2.3.7.11.13.23.29 subgroup which is more complex but much more accurate than bleu. |
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| | == See also == |
| | * [[24/13]] – its [[octave complement]] |
| | * [[18/13]] – its [[fifth complement]] |
| | * [[Gallery of just intervals]] |
| | * [[List of superparticular intervals]] |
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In 13-limit just intonation, 13/12 is the (lesser) tridecimal neutral second of about 138.6¢. It is a superparticular interval, as it is found in the harmonic series between the 13th and the 12th harmonics (between 13/8 and 3/2 in the octave). It is flat of the 11-limit lesser neutral second of 12/11 by 144/143 (about 12.1¢), and sharp of the 13-limit large semitone of 14/13 by 169/168 (about 10.3¢).
Approximation
It is approximated to within about 0.11 cents by the 3-step interval of 26edo.
Edo approximations for 13/12 (138.57 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
| Edo |
Step size |
Cents (¢) |
Absolute error (¢) |
Relative error (%)
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| 8 |
1\8 |
150.00 |
+11.43 |
+7.62
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| 9 |
1\9 |
133.33 |
-5.24 |
-3.93
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| 17 |
2\17 |
141.18 |
+2.60 |
+3.69
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| 18 |
2\18 |
133.33 |
-5.24 |
-7.86
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| 26 |
3\26 |
138.46 |
-0.11 |
-0.24
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| 34 |
4\34 |
141.18 |
+2.60 |
+7.38
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| 35 |
4\35 |
137.14 |
-1.43 |
-4.17
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| 43 |
5\43 |
139.53 |
+0.96 |
+3.45
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| 44 |
5\44 |
136.36 |
-2.21 |
-8.10
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| 52 |
6\52 |
138.46 |
-0.11 |
-0.48
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| 60 |
7\60 |
140.00 |
+1.43 |
+7.14
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| 61 |
7\61 |
137.70 |
-0.87 |
-4.41
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| 69 |
8\69 |
139.13 |
+0.56 |
+3.21
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| 70 |
8\70 |
137.14 |
-1.43 |
-8.34
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| 78 |
9\78 |
138.46 |
-0.11 |
-0.72
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Temperaments
13/12 can be used to generate bleu temperament in the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup, mapping 3/2 to +5 generators, 7/4 to +7 generators, 11/8 to +4 generators, and 13/8 to +6 generators.
A slightly sharp 13/12 generates glacier temperament, which equates 5 13/12's to 3/2 like bleu. This temperament has an extension to the 2.3.7.11.13.23.29 subgroup which is more complex but much more accurate than bleu.
See also