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A ''3-limit'' interval is either an integer whose only prime factors are 2 and 3, the reciprocal of such an integer, the ratio of a power of 2 to a power of 3, or the ratio of a power of 3 to a power of 2. All 3-limit intervals can be written as 2^a 3^b, where a and b can be any (positive, negative or zero) integer. Some examples of 3-limit intervals are [[3/2|3/2]], [[4/3|4/3]], [[9/8|9/8]]. Confining intervals to the 3-limit is known as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning Pythagorean tuning], and the Pythagorean tuning used in Europe during the Middle Ages is seed out of which grew the common-practice tradition of Western music.
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[[EDO|EDO]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction continued fraction] for the logarithm of 3 base 2. These are 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306..., ...
The '''3-limit''' consists of all [[just intonation]] intervals whose [[Ratio|numerators and denominators]] are both products of the primes 2 and 3. Some examples of 3-limit intervals are [[3/2]], [[4/3]], [[9/8]]. All 3-limit intervals can be written as <math>2^a \cdot 3^b</math>, where ''a'' and ''b'' can be any (positive, negative or zero) integer. When octave-reduced, if b is non-zero, a and b are opposite signs. In other words, one number in the ratio is a power of 2 and the other number is a power of 3. Confining intervals to the 3-limit is known as [[Pythagorean tuning]], and the Pythagorean tuning used in Europe during the Middle Ages is the seed out of which grew the common-practice tradition of Western music, as well as genres derived from it. The 3-limit can be considered a [[Rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[temperament]] which [[Tempering out|tempers out]] no [[comma]]s.


Another approach is to find EDOs which have more accurate 3 than all smaller EDOs. This results in 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, 8286, 8951, 9616, 10281, 10946, 11611, 12276, 12941, 13606, 14271, 14936, 15601, 31867, ...
== Terminology ==
A 3-limit interval is also known as a Pythagorean interval. Recently, composers [[Catherine Lamb]] and [[Marc Sabat]] have adopted ''tertial'' for intervals of [[harmonic class|HC3]]{{citation needed}}, not to be confused with ''tertian'' which is the adjective associated with the third [[5L 2s|diatonic]] degree.  


See [[Harmonic_Limit|Harmonic Limit]].
== Edo approximation ==
[[Edo]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the [[wikipedia: Continued fraction|continued fraction]] for the logarithm base 2 of 3. These are {{EDOs| 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … }} ({{OEIS|A206788}})


3-limit intervals up to odd-limit 19683:
Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in {{EDOs|1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, 8286, 8951, 9616, 10281, 10946, 11611, 12276, 12941, 13606, 14271, 14936, 15601, 31867 }}, … ({{OEIS|A060528}})
{| class="wikitable"
 
A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger [[consistent circle]] of 3/2. These are {{EDOs|1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … }} (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively)
 
== Table of intervals ==
3-limit intervals up to [[odd-limit]] 19683:
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-3 center-6 center-7"
|-
|-
! colspan="2" |[[Kite's color notation|interval name]]
! [[Ratio]]
! |ratio
! [[Monzo]]
! |cents
! Size ([[Cent|¢]])
colspan="2"|interval category
! colspan="2" | [[Kite's color notation|Color Name]]
! colspan="2" | Diatonic Category
|-
|-
|w1
| [[1/1]]
|wa unison
| {{Monzo| 0 }}
| |[[1/1]]
| 0.000
| |0.000
| w1
| |unison
| wa unison
| |C
| P1
| C
|-
|-
|Lw1
| [[2187/2048]]
|large wa 1sn
| {{Monzo| -11 7 }}
| |[[2187/2048]]
| 113.685
| |113.685
| Lw1
| |aug. unison
| lawa 1sn
| |C#
| A1
| C#
|-
|-
|sw2
| [[256/243]]
|small wa 2nd
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
| |[[256/243]]
| 90.225
| |90.225
| sw2
| |minor 2nd
| sawa 2nd
| |Db
| m2
| Db
|-
|-
|w2
| [[9/8]]
|wa 2nd
| {{Monzo| -3 2 }}
| |[[9/8]]
| 203.910
| |203.910
| w2
| |major 2nd
| wa 2nd
| |D
| M2
| D
|-
|-
|Lw2
| [[19683/16384]]
|large wa 2nd
| {{Monzo| -14 9 }}
| |[[19683/16384]]
| 317.595
| |317.595
| Lw2
| |aug. 2nd
| lawa 2nd
| |D#
| A2
| D#
|-
|-
|w3
| [[32/27]]
|wa 3rd
| {{Monzo| 5 -3 }}
| |[[32/27]]
| 294.135
| |294.135
| w3
| |minor 3rd
| wa 3rd
| |Eb
| m3
| Eb
|-
|-
|Lw3
| [[81/64]]
|large wa 3rd
| {{Monzo| -6 4 }}
| |[[81/64]]
| 407.820
| |407.820
| Lw3
| |major 3rd
| lawa 3rd
| |E
| M3
| E
|-
|-
|sw4
| [[8192/6561]]
|small wa 4th
| {{Monzo| 13 -8 }}
| |[[8192/6561]]
| 384.360
| |384.360
| sw4
| |dim. fourth
| sawa 4th
| |Fb
| d4
| Fb
|-
|-
|w4
| [[4/3]]
|wa 4th
| {{Monzo| 2 -1 }}
| |[[4/3]]
| 498.045
| |498.045
| w4
| |fourth
| wa 4th
| |F
| P4
| F
|-
|-
|Lw4
| [[729/512]]
|large wa 4th
| {{Monzo| -9 6 }}
| |[[729/512]]
| 611.730
| |611.730
| Lw4
| |aug. fourth
| lawa 4th
| |F#
| A4
| F#
|-
|-
|sw5
| [[1024/729]]
|small wa 5th
| {{Monzo| 10 -6 }}
| |[[1024/729]]
| 588.270
| |588.270
| sw5
| |dim. fifth
| sawa 5th
| |Gb
| d5
| Gb
|-
|-
|w5
| [[3/2]]
|wa 5th
| {{Monzo| -1 1 }}
| |[[3/2]]
| 701.955
| |701.955
| w5
| |fifth
| wa 5th
| |G
| P5
| G
|-
|-
|Lw5
| [[6561/4096]]
|large wa 5th
| {{Monzo| -12 8 }}
| |[[6561/4096]]
| 815.640
| |815.640
| Lw5
| |aug. fifth
| lawa 5th
| |G#
| A5
| G#
|-
|-
|sw6
| [[128/81]]
|small wa 6th
| {{Monzo| 7 -4 }}
| |[[128/81]]
| 792.180
| |792.180
| sw6
| |minor 6th
| sawa 6th
| |Ab
| m6
| Ab
|-
|-
|w6
| [[27/16]]
|wa 6th
| {{Monzo| -4 3 }}
| |[[27/16]]
| 905.865
| |905.865
| w6
| |major 6th
| wa 6th
| |A
| M6
| A
|-
|-
|sw7
| [[32768/19683]]
|small wa 7th
| {{Monzo| 15 -9 }}
| |[[32768/19683]]
| 882.405
| |882.405
| sw7
| |dim. 7th
| sawa 7th
| |Bbb
| d7
| Bbb
|-
|-
|w7
| [[16/9]]
|wa 7th
| {{Monzo| 4 -2 }}
| |[[16/9]]
| 996.090
| |996.090
| w7
| |minor 7th
| wa 7th
| |Bb
| m7
| Bb
|-
|-
|Lw7
| [[243/128]]
|large wa 7th
| {{Monzo| -7 5 }}
| |[[243/128]]
| 1109.775
| |1109.775
| Lw7
| |major 7th
| lawa 7th
| |B
| M7
| B
|-
|-
|sw8
| [[4096/2187]]
|small wa 8ve
| {{Monzo| 12 -7 }}
| |[[4096/2187]]
| 1086.315
| |1086.315
| sw8
| |dim. octave
| sawa 8ve
| |Cb
| d8
| Cb
|-
|-
|w8
| [[2/1]]
|wa 8ve
| {{Monzo| 1 }}
| |[[2/1]]
| 1200.000
| |1200.000
| w8
| |octave
| wa 8ve
| |C
| P8
| C
|}
|}
[[Category:3-limit]]
 
[[Category:example]]
== Music ==
[[Category:interval]]
; [[E8 Heterotic]]
[[Category:limit]]
* [https://youtu.be/NPoyCQ7aYY8?si=bnAq4FJ7f8s3AagZ "Elements - Metal"] from ''Elements'' (2019–2020)
[[Category:prime_limit]]
 
[[Category:pythagorean]]
; [[Francium]]
[[Category:rank_2]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFK7uzAR1g ''Pythagorean Metal''] (2023)
 
; [[John Doe]]
* [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GF7lTvOQ9r8 ''Building (A New Sun)''] (2017)
 
===== [[Charles Ives]] =====
[[Johnny Reinhard]]'s 2023 book, ''[https://www.visionedition.com/publication/the-transcendental-tuning-of-charles-ives/ The Transcendental Tuning of Charles Ives]'', lays the foundation for AFMM's realizations of some of Ives' works, employing chains of up to 29 perfect fifths.
 
* [https://johnnyreinhard.bandcamp.com/album/charles-ives-string-quartet-2-by-flux-quartet-three-quartone-pieces-for-2-pianos-played-by-pierce-jonas-the-unanswered-question-universe-symphony-realized-by-reinhard-michael-thorne-three-page-so String Quartet #2, The Unanswered Question, Three-Page Sonata, Universe Symphony]
* [https://johnnyreinhard.bandcamp.com/album/charles-ives-transcendental-concord-sonata-by-charles-ives-for-two-pianos-in-spiral-of-fifths-tuning-performed-by-pianists-gabriel-zucker-and-erika-dohi-american-festival-of-microtonal-music Concord Sonata]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8HkPie8y08 The Unanswered Question]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT2E13p3sLw Universe Symphony]
; [[Peter Kosmorsky|Peter 'Rush' Kosmorsky]]
* ''String Trio no. 2'' (2013) – [https://soundcloud.com/peter-rush-kosmorsky/string-trio-no-2-for-three-strings SoundCloud] | [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Kosmorsky/__String_Trio_no__2_by_Peter__Rush__Kosmorsky.mp3 play] – in [[Pythagorean17|Pythagorean[17]]]
 
; [[Zhea Erose]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHYKXPaL5o ''Circles of Indigo - Dreamsura''] (2023)
 
== See also ==
* [[Pythagorean tuning]]
* [[Harmonic limit]]
* [[3-odd-limit]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
 
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