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 Moved 28edo to new Machine Lumatone mappings section on [[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Keyboard_Layout_Lab/Various_other_Lumatone mappings|Various Other Lumatone mappings]]; moved 30edo to Rank-3 Lumatone mappings page:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 19:35, 23 July 2025 (UTC)<br>
 Moved this section here:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 08:36, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
+== Various Described but Unnamed Temperament Lumatone mappings ==
+Various Lumatone mappings that do not match the mapping for another size of EDO, and seem to have been designed for a temperament for which the name is currently not defined or not set, with the temperament described beyond identification of the generator.
+=== 51edo: 19 & 51 flipped antidiatonic (demonstrated to work) ===
+[[Bryan Deister]] has used a flipped antidiatonic layout for [[51edo]] in which the generator is a mid major second at 8\51, which maps in between ~[[10/9]] and ~[[9/8]] and is distinct from both, A possible constitution of this interval in 51edo is the septendecimal major second ~[[512/459]] (~|9 -3 0 0 0 0 -1⟩), which maps correctly to 8\51 and is very close by direct approximation. Two of these generators make a fairly flat ~[[5/4]] Ptolemeic major third, and nine of these generators make a slightly sharp ~[[8/3]] perfect eleventh. Octaves alternate between near and far, but the range is just one missing note 47 short of being 5 full octaves, which compares favorably with the standard Antidiatonic ([[Mavila]]/[[Undecimation]]) and [[Porky]] mappings, and is competitive with the [[Slendric]] mapping. (Another possibility would be to move the first note 0 up and left, which would instead put the missing note in the first octave.) The most straightforward scale within an octave is [[2L&nbsp;5s]] with a step ratio of 8:7, but the octave zigzag could be used to support an [[11L&nbsp;2s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale, again with a step ratio of 8:7. [https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/ Graham Breed's x31eq Temperament Finder] gives no name for this temperament; it is 19 & 51 in the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, but if this layout was actually adapted to [[19edo]], L and s steps would exchange size classes to make this a flipped Diatonic layout. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (202505-02), with some additional notes outside the 5 (almost) full octaves cut off in and near the upper left and lower right corners due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.
+{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=32|xstep=8|ystep=-1}}
+Added:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
+Last modified:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 04:35, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
 == Various Unnamed Temperament Lumatone mappings ==
-Various Lumatone mappings that do not match the mapping for another size of EDO, and were not designed for a particular temperament.
+Various Lumatone mappings that do not match the mapping for another size of EDO, and do not seem to have been designed for a particular temperament, for which temperament description beyond identification of the generator is not available.
 Moved here from [[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Keyboard_Layout_Lab/Various_other_Lumatone mappings|Various Other Lumatone mappings]]:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 08:36, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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+=== 44edo (demonstrated to work, and found Bidia + Diminished + Charismic + Semitonismic temperament) ===
+Added:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 08:55, 4 January 2026 (UTC)<br>
+Found Bidia + Diminished + Charismic + Semitonismic temperament, and moved to [[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Keyboard_Layout_Lab|Keyboard Layout Lab]]:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:46, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
 === 46edo (demonstrated to work and found Bison temperament) ===
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 === 51edo (demonstrated to work) ===
-[[Bryan Deister]] has used a flipped antidiatonic layout for [[51edo]] in which the generator is a mid major second at 8\51, which maps in between ~[[10/9]] and ~[[9/8]] and is distinct from both, A possible constitution of this interval in 51edo is the septendecimal major second ~[[512/459]] (~|9 -3 0 0 0 0 -1⟩), which maps correctly to 8\51 and is very close by direct approximation. Two of these generators make a slightly flat ~[[5/4]] Ptolemeic major third, and nine of these generators make a slightly sharp ~[[8/3]] perfect eleventh. Octaves alternate between near and far, but the range is just one missing note #47 short of being 5 full octaves, which compares favorably with the standard Antidiatonic ([[Mavila]]/[[Undecimation]]) and [[Porky]] mappings, and is competitive with the [[Slendric]] mapping. (Another possibility would be to move the first note 0 up and left, which would instead put the missing note in the first octave.) The most straightforward scale within an octave is [[2L&nbsp;5s]] with a step ratio of 8:7, but the octave zigzag could be used to support an [[11L&nbsp;2s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale, again with a step ratio of 8:7. [https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/ Graham Breed's x31eq Temperament Finder] gives no name for this temperament; it is 19 & 51 in the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, but if this layout was actually adapted to [[19edo]], L and s steps would exchange size classes to make this a flipped Diatonic layout. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (202505-02), with some additional notes outside the 5 (almost) full octaves cut off in and near the upper left and lower right corners due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.
+[[Bryan Deister]] has demonstrated a mapping of [[51edo]] for a [[3L&nbsp;5s]] scale rotated (checkertonic, with 7:6 step ratio), that also lends itself to a [[7L&nbsp;2s]] scale (flipped superdiatonic, with 7:1 step ratio) and a [[12L&nbsp;3s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale (7:6 step ratio, passing right through the octave zigzag), in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTPJtuHUwkg ''51edo improv''] (2025-02-03). The rightward generator is 7\51, which is a near-just large undecimal neutral second ~[[11/10]], as in [[Porky]], but this mapping is sufficiently different from the Porky layout as to warrant a different name. The range is a bit over 4¼ octaves, and the octaves alternate between near/far and mid.
-{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=32|xstep=8|ystep=-1}}
-Added:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
-Last modified:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 10:30, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
-=== 51edo (demonstrated to work but awaiting approval) ===
-[[Bryan Deister]] has demonstrated a mapping of [[51edo]] for a [[3L&nbsp;5s]] scale rotated (checkertonic, with 7:6 step ratio), that also lends itself to a [[7L&nbsp;2s]] scale (flipped superdiatonic, with 7:1 step ratio) and a [[12L&nbsp;3s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale (7:6 step ratio, passing right through the octave zigzag), in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTPJtuHUwkg ''51edo improv''] (2025-02-03). (Rest of description goes here.)
 {{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=31|xstep=7|ystep=-1}}
-Added:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:21, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
+Added:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:21, 1 January 2026 (UTC)<br>
+Last modified:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:27, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
 === 52edo (demonstrated to work) ===
-[[Bryan Deister]] has used a layout for [[52edo]] in which the generator is 9\52, as ~[[9/8]] but mapped by direct approximation rather than as the version mapped by the patent val or by the 52b val, which means that it has to be constituted as (3♭&nbsp;×&nbsp;3♯)&nbsp;/&nbsp;8 to make use of the dual-fifth feature of 52edo. Two of these map to a ~[[14/11]] major third, as in [[Pentacircle clan|Pentacircle]] but for the direct approximation mapping of ~9/8. The upward generator is ~[[16/15]]. Octaves slant down and then wrap around, but the compass is 5 full octaves, with no missed notes, which is competitive with the Diatonic and Neutral Thirds layouts. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lNJCZz7EjL0 ''microtonal improvisation in 52edo''] (2025); in the video, some notes are cut off at the right edge due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.
+Found Diminished temperament, and moved to [[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Keyboard_Layout_Lab/Various_other_Lumatone_mappings|Various other Lumatone mappings]]:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 12:05, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
-{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=52|start=4|xstep=9|ystep=-5}}
-Added:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:22, 5 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
-Last modified:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 06:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
 === 57edo (demonstrated to work) ===