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The '''2.3.7.11 subgroup''' ('''zala''' in [[color notation]]) is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 7, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 7, and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[3/2]], [[7/4]], [[9/7]], [[21/16]], [[11/9]], [[22/21]], and so on.
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The 2.3.7.11 subgroup is a retraction of the [[11-limit]], obtained by removing prime 5. Its simplest expansion is the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup, which adds prime 13. It can also be retracted to the [[2.3.7 subgroup]] by removing prime 11.
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A notable subset of the 2.3.7.11 subgroup is the {1, 3, 7, 9, 11} [[tonality diamond]], comprising all intervals in which 1, 3, 7, 9, and 11 are the only allowable odd numbers, once all powers of 2 are removed, either for the intervals of the scale or the ratios between successive or simultaneously sounding notes of the composition. The complete list of intervals in this tonality diamond within the octave is [[1/1]], [[12/11]], [[9/8]], [[8/7]], [[7/6]], [[11/9]], [[14/11]], [[9/7]], [[4/3]], [[11/8]], [[16/11]], [[3/2]], [[14/9]], [[11/7]], [[18/11]], [[12/7]], [[7/4]], [[16/9]], [[11/6]], and [[2/1]].
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When [[octave equivalence]] is assumed, an interval can be taken as representing that interval in every possible voicing. This leaves primes 3, 7, and 11, which can be represented in a 3-dimensional [[lattice diagram]], each prime represented by a different dimension, such that each point on the lattice represents a different [[interval class]].
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">* Genus(3*7*11) 12/11, 14/11, 21/16, 16/11, 3/2, 7/4, 21/11, 2
 
== Scales ==
* Genus(3*7*11) 12/11, 14/11, 21/16, 16/11, 3/2, 7/4, 21/11, 2
* Genus(3*7^2*11) 49/48, 49/44, 7/6, 14/11, 4/3, 16/11, 49/33, 49/32, 56/33, 7/4, 64/33, 2
* Genus(3*7^2*11) 49/48, 49/44, 7/6, 14/11, 4/3, 16/11, 49/33, 49/32, 56/33, 7/4, 64/33, 2
* Ptolemy's Intense Chromatic at 1/1 22/21 8/7 4/3 3/2 11/7 12/7 2/1 (disjunct form)
* Ptolemy's Intense Chromatic at 1/1 22/21 8/7 4/3 3/2 11/7 12/7 2/1 (disjunct form)
* a conjunct Rast: 1/1 9/8 27/22 4/3 3/2 11/8 16/9 2/1 (note: actually 2.3.11 subgroup)
* A conjunct Rast: 1/1 9/8 27/22 4/3 3/2 11/8 16/9 2/1 (note: actually 2.3.11 subgroup)
* Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi's version of Hijaz: 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3 (12:11-7:6-22:21), itself a permutation of Ptolemy's Intense Chromatic
* Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi's version of Hijaz: 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3 (12:11-7:6-22:21), itself a permutation of Ptolemy's Intense Chromatic
** [[Margo Schulter]] notes: "A modern form of Maqam Hijaz based on this tuning might be 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3-32-18/11-16/9-2/1 ascending, and 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3-3/2-128/81-16/9-2/1 descending (with the minor sixth maybe a bit smaller, say 11/7 or the like)."
** [[Margo Schulter]] notes: "A modern form of Maqam Hijaz based on this tuning might be 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3-3/2-18/11-16/9-2/1 ascending, and 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3-3/2-128/81-16/9-2/1 descending (with the minor sixth maybe a bit smaller, say 11/7 or the like)."
* a septimal flavor of Sazkar, which has a minor third above the 1/1 ascending but a tone descending: thus ascending 1/1-7/6-11/9-4/3-3/2-27/16-11/6-2/1, and descending 1/1-9/8-11/9-4/3-3/2-27/16-11/6-2/1
* A septimal flavor of Sazkar, which has a minor third above the 1/1 ascending but a tone descending: thus ascending 1/1-7/6-11/9-4/3-3/2-27/16-11/6-2/1, and descending 1/1-9/8-11/9-4/3-3/2-27/16-11/6-2/1
** Margo Schulter adds: "I should caution that an Arab Rast, of which Sazkar is an offshoot, might usually have a Zalzalian third more like 27/22 or 16/13 rather than 11/9, so this may be more of a new tuning than a traditional Arab Sazkar."
** Margo Schulter adds: "I should caution that an Arab Rast, of which Sazkar is an offshoot, might usually have a Zalzalian third more like 27/22 or 16/13 rather than 11/9, so this may be more of a new tuning than a traditional Arab Sazkar."
* The 1-3-7-9-11 [[Combination product sets|2(5 Dekany]] within a 12-tone [[Periodic scale#Constant Structure|constant structure]] (see [[http://anaphoria.com/dekanyconstantstructures.pdf|link]]): 1*3, 9*11, 3*9, 1*7, 3*7*11, 7*9, 3*11, 1*9, 3*9*11, 7*11, 3*7, 1*11.
* The 1-3-7-9-11 [[Combination_product_sets|2(5 Dekany]] within a 12-tone [[Periodic_scale#Constant Structure|constant structure]] (see [http://anaphoria.com/dekanyconstantstructures.pdf link]): 1*3, 9*11, 3*9, 1*7, 3*7*11, 7*9, 3*11, 1*9, 3*9*11, 7*11, 3*7, 1*11.
* A 12f, {352/351, 364/363} 2.3.7.11.13 elf transversal: 28/27-9/8-13/11-9/7-4/3-11/8-3/2-14/9-22/13-16/9-27/14-2</pre></div>
* (with prime 13 added) A 12f, {352/351, 364/363} 2.3.7.11.13 elf transversal: 28/27-9/8-13/11-9/7-4/3-11/8-3/2-14/9-22/13-16/9-27/14-2
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Gallery of 2.3.7.11 Subgroup Scales&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Genus(3*7*11) 12/11, 14/11, 21/16, 16/11, 3/2, 7/4, 21/11, 2&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Genus(3*7^2*11) 49/48, 49/44, 7/6, 14/11, 4/3, 16/11, 49/33, 49/32, 56/33, 7/4, 64/33, 2&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ptolemy's Intense Chromatic at 1/1 22/21 8/7 4/3 3/2 11/7 12/7 2/1 (disjunct form)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;a conjunct Rast: 1/1 9/8 27/22 4/3 3/2 11/8 16/9 2/1 (note: actually 2.3.11 subgroup)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi's version of Hijaz: 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3 (12:11-7:6-22:21), itself a permutation of Ptolemy's Intense Chromatic&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Margo%20Schulter"&gt;Margo Schulter&lt;/a&gt; notes: &amp;quot;A modern form of Maqam Hijaz based on this tuning might be 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3-32-18/11-16/9-2/1 ascending, and 1/1-12/11-14/11-4/3-3/2-128/81-16/9-2/1 descending (with the minor sixth maybe a bit smaller, say 11/7 or the like).&amp;quot;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;a septimal flavor of Sazkar, which has a minor third above the 1/1 ascending but a tone descending: thus ascending 1/1-7/6-11/9-4/3-3/2-27/16-11/6-2/1, and descending 1/1-9/8-11/9-4/3-3/2-27/16-11/6-2/1&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Margo Schulter adds: &amp;quot;I should caution that an Arab Rast, of which Sazkar is an offshoot, might usually have a Zalzalian third more like 27/22 or 16/13 rather than 11/9, so this may be more of a new tuning than a traditional Arab Sazkar.&amp;quot;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The 1-3-7-9-11 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Combination%20product%20sets"&gt;2(5 Dekany&lt;/a&gt; within a 12-tone &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Periodic%20scale#Constant Structure"&gt;constant structure&lt;/a&gt; (see &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://anaphoria.com/dekanyconstantstructures.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;): 1*3, 9*11, 3*9, 1*7, 3*7*11, 7*9, 3*11, 1*9, 3*9*11, 7*11, 3*7, 1*11.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A 12f, {352/351, 364/363} 2.3.7.11.13 elf transversal: 28/27-9/8-13/11-9/7-4/3-11/8-3/2-14/9-22/13-16/9-27/14-2&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
== Regular temperaments ==
=== Rank-1 temperaments (edos) ===
The 2.3.7.11 subgroup is relatively well approximated by the following edos (decreasing [[TE error]], bold ones do particularly well in this subgroup): {{EDOs| '''5''', 9, 10, 12, 14, '''17''', 31, '''41''', 58, 63, '''72''', 94, 118, 130, '''135''', 342, … }}
 
=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
{{Main|Tour of regular temperaments#Temperaments defined by an 11-limit comma}}
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