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65et can be characterized as the temperament which [[tempering out|tempers out]] 32805/32768 ([[schisma]]), 78732/78125 ([[sensipent comma]]), 393216/390625 ([[würschmidt comma]]), and {{monzo| -13 17 -6 }} ([[graviton]]). In the [[7-limit]], there are two different maps; the first is {{val| 65 103 151 '''182''' }} (65), tempering out [[126/125]], [[245/243]] and [[686/675]], so that it [[support]]s [[sensi]], and the second is {{val| 65 103 151 '''183''' }} (65d), tempering out [[225/224]], [[3125/3087]], [[4000/3969]] and [[5120/5103]], so that it supports [[garibaldi]]. In both cases, the tuning privileges the [[5-limit]] over the 7-limit, as the 5-limit of 65 is quite accurate. The same can be said for the two different versions of 7-limit [[würschmidt]] temperament (wurschmidt and worschmidt) these two mappings provide.
65et can be characterized as the temperament which [[tempering out|tempers out]] 32805/32768 ([[schisma]]), 78732/78125 ([[sensipent comma]]), 393216/390625 ([[würschmidt comma]]), and {{monzo| -13 17 -6 }} ([[graviton]]). In the [[7-limit]], there are two different maps; the first is {{val| 65 103 151 '''182''' }} (65), tempering out [[126/125]], [[245/243]] and [[686/675]], so that it [[support]]s [[sensi]], and the second is {{val| 65 103 151 '''183''' }} (65d), tempering out [[225/224]], [[3125/3087]], [[4000/3969]] and [[5120/5103]], so that it supports [[garibaldi]]. In both cases, the tuning privileges the [[5-limit]] over the 7-limit, as the 5-limit of 65 is quite accurate. The same can be said for the two different versions of 7-limit [[würschmidt]] temperament (wurschmidt and worschmidt) these two mappings provide.


65edo approximates the intervals [[3/2]], [[5/4]], [[11/8]], [[19/16]], [[23/16]], [[31/16]] and [[47/32]] well, so that it does a good job representing the 2.3.5.11.19.23.31.47 [[just intonation subgroup]]. To this one may want to add [[17/16]], [[29/16]] and [[43/32]], giving the [[47-limit]] no-7's no-13's no-37's no-41's subgroup 2.3.5.11.17.19.23.29.31.43.47. In this sense it is a tuning of [[schismic]]/[[nestoria]] that focuses on the very primes that [[53edo]] neglects and that instead elegantly connects primes 7, 13, 37, and 41 to nestoria. Also of interest is the [[19-limit]] [[k*N subgroups|2*65 subgroup]] 2.3.5.49.11.91.119.19, on which 65 has the same tuning and commas as the [[zeta]] edo [[130edo]].
65edo approximates the intervals [[3/2]], [[5/4]], [[11/8]], [[19/16]], [[23/16]], [[31/16]] and [[47/32]] well, so that it does a good job representing the 2.3.5.11.19.23.31.47 [[just intonation subgroup]]. To this one may want to add [[17/16]], [[29/16]] and [[43/32]], giving the [[47-limit]] no-7's no-13's no-37's no-41's subgroup 2.3.5.11.17.19.23.29.31.43.47. In this sense it is a tuning of [[schismic]]/[[nestoria]] that focuses on the very primes that [[53edo]] neglects (which instead elegantly connects primes 7, 13, 37, and 41 to nestoria). Also of interest is the [[19-limit]] [[k*N subgroups|2*65 subgroup]] 2.3.5.49.11.91.119.19, on which 65 has the same tuning and commas as the [[zeta]] edo [[130edo]].


=== Prime harmonics ===
=== Prime harmonics ===
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| D
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== Notation ==
== Notation ==
=== Ups and downs notation ===
=== Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation ===
Using [[Helmholtz–Ellis]] accidentals, 65edo can also be notated using [[ups and downs notation]]:
[[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] uses sharps and flats combined with quartertone accidentals and arrows:
{{Sharpness-sharp6}}
{{Sharpness-sharp6-szg}}
 
If double arrows are not desirable, arrows can be attached to quartertone accidentals:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt-szg}}
 
=== Kite's ups and downs notation ===
65edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc.
{{Sharpness-sharp6a}}


In some cases, certain notes may be best notated using semi- and sesquisharps and flats with arrows:
Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt}}
{{Sharpness-sharp6b}}


=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation ===
=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation ===
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used:
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used:
 
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}}
{{sharpness-sharp6-iw}}


=== Sagittal notation ===
=== Sagittal notation ===
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[72edo#Sagittal notation|72]] and [[79edo#Sagittal notation|79]].
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as edos [[72edo #Sagittal notation|72]] and [[79edo #Sagittal notation|79]].


==== Evo flavor ====
==== Evo flavor ====
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default [[File:65-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg]]
default [[File:65-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg]]
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== Approximation to JI ==
== Approximation to JI ==
=== Zeta peak index ===
=== 15-odd-limit interval mappings ===
{| class="wikitable center-all"
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|65}}
|-
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|65.1|apx=val|header=none|tag=none|title=15-odd-limit intervals by 65d val mapping}}
! colspan="3" | Tuning
! colspan="3" | Strength
! colspan="2" | Closest edo
! colspan="2" | Integer limit
|-
! ZPI
! Steps per octave
! Step size (cents)
! Height
! Integral
! Gap
! Edo
! Octave (cents)
! Consistent
! Distinct
|-
| [[334zpi]]
| 65.0158450885860
| 18.4570391781413
| 7.813349
| 1.269821
| 16.514861
| 65edo
| 1199.70754657919
| 6
| 6
|}


== Regular temperament properties ==
== Regular temperament properties ==
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| 498.46
| 4/3
| 4/3
| [[Helmholtz]] / [[nestoria]] / [[photia]]
| [[Helmholtz (temperament)|Helmholtz]] / [[nestoria]] / [[photia]]
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
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| [[Countdown]]
| [[Countdown]]
|}
|}
<nowiki/>* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
 
== Octave stretch or compression ==
65edo tunes [[primes]] 2, 3, 5 and 11 very well, but its 7 and 13 have two about equally-bad mappings. [[Stretched and compressed tuning|Stretching or shrinking the octave]] of 65edo for improvements in its approximations of [[JI]] therefore depends on which mapping is used: the sharp tending 65d val wants octave shrinking, whereas the flat tending 65f val wants octave stretching; both can be achieved at the cost of relatively little damage to other primes.
 
Compressed tunings of 65edo that well approximate JI include [[zpi|334zpi]], [[ed5|151ed5]] and [[equal tuning|225ed11]].
 
Stretched tunings of 65edo that well approximate JI include [[WE|13-lim WE-tuned 65f]] (18.473cET) and [[TE|13-lim TE-tuned 65f]] (18.474cET).


== Scales ==
== Scales ==
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[[Lumatone mapping for 65edo]]
[[Lumatone mapping for 65edo]]


== Notes ==
== Music ==
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; [[Bryan Deister]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W5PXWFduPco ''microtonal improvisation in 65edo''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UJZw9NQuGnY ''Zanarkand - Nobuo Uematsu (microtonal cover in 65edo)''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zxgVvwXnIGQ ''Waltz in 65edo''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OtbEDFhjNkc ''65edo prelude''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c0eWd7UvNQU ''Black Hole Sun - Soundgarden (microtonal cover in 65edo)''] (2026)


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