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A '''dual-fifth tuning system''' is a [[tuning system]], often octave-equivalent, with two sizes of fifths, '''major fifth''' and '''minor fifth''' instead of a single perfect fifth, and accordingly two sizes of fourths, '''major fourth''' and '''minor fourth''' instead of a single perfect fourth. The opposite of dual-fifth may be called ''plain-fifth''. | A '''dual-fifth tuning system''' is a [[tuning system]], often [[Octave equivalence|octave-equivalent]], with two sizes of fifths, '''major fifth''' and '''minor fifth''' instead of a single perfect fifth, and accordingly two sizes of fourths, '''major fourth''' and '''minor fourth''' instead of a single perfect fourth. The opposite of dual-fifth may be called ''plain-fifth''. | ||
== Dual-fifth scales == | |||
[[Sixix]][7] can be regarded as the scale which is the most authentic representation of the "dual-fifth" phenomenon via its [[mode]]s, since it features both sharp and flat fifth on different modes, and the interval in this case occupies 5 staff positions. For example, in [[25edo]], sixix can take form of 4 3 4 3 4 3 4, where five staff positions occupy 18\25 (sharp fifth), but if the mode is 3 4 3 4 3 4 4, then five staff positions are equal to 17\25 (flat fifth). However, it should be noted that in better tunings of sixix, the flat fifth is Mavila-like in quality while the sharp fifth is a comparatively accurate [[superpyth]] diatonic fifth. | |||
== Dual-fifth edos == | == Dual-fifth edos == | ||
[[ | [[35edo]] is the [[equal temperament]] which can be said to most authentically represent the concept of "dual-fifth", since its fifths of 20\35 and 21\35 correspond to the bounds of the tuning range for the [[diatonic]] scale where the term ''fifth'' in the standard Western practice originates from. 35edo is the largest [[edo]] without a diatonic scale, and it is therefore the smallest whose sharp and flat fifth can be equally treated as being approximants of five staff positions of the diatonic scale. | ||
Perhaps a more familiar dual-fifth system to many is [[18edo]]. It is the first system that has intervals that are close enough to 3/2 that they can be regarded as sharp and flat fifth, but also far enough to sound different. Its sharp fifth and flat fifth are almost equally off from just: it has a 733.3¢ sharp fifth 31.4¢ sharp from pure [[3/2]], and a 666.7¢ flat fifth is 35.3¢ flat. | |||
Although edos like [[18edo]], [[23edo]] and [[25edo]] have been studied as dual-fifth, their corresponding dual-fifth intervals that are also often considered as [[2L 5s|antidiatonic]] generators or subminor sixths, and not every musical approach treats them as approximants of 3/2 or intervals playing the role of the fifth. | |||
For a list of edos which could be considered dual-fifth, see: | |||
* [[:Category:Dual-fifth temperaments]]. | |||
We may, heuristically, define dual-fifth edos as those whose [[relative error]] of the third harmonic is greater than 1/3. In that case 1/3 of all edos will be dual-fifth and the other 2/3 will be plain-fifth. | |||
=== Stretched or compressed edos === | |||
[[Octave stretching]] or [[octave shrinking]] can be used to equally share the error between an edo's best and second-best fifths (i.e. bring them both to exactly 50% [[relative error]]). | |||
Here is the amount of error the sharp and flat fifth will both exhibit in some possible dual-fifth edos after they have been stretched/compressed in this way: | |||
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'''>25{{c}} error''' | |||
* [[16edo]]: 37.50{{c}} | |||
* [[18edo]]: 33.33{{c}} | |||
* [[20edo]]: 30.00{{c}} | |||
* [[23edo]]: 26.09{{c}} | |||
'''15-25{{c}} error''' | |||
* [[25edo]]: 24.00{{c}} | |||
* [[28edo]]: 21.43{{c}} | |||
* [[30edo]]: 20.00{{c}} | |||
* [[35edo]]: 17.14{{c}} | |||
* [[37edo]]: 16.22{{c}} | |||
* [[40edo]]: 15.00{{c}} | |||
'''<15{{c}} error''' | |||
* [[42edo]]: 14.29{{c}} | |||
* [[47edo]]: 12.77{{c}} | |||
* [[49edo]]: 12.25{{c}} | |||
* [[52edo]]: 11.54{{c}} | |||
* [[54edo]]: 11.11{{c}} | |||
* [[57edo]]: 10.53{{c}} | |||
* [[59edo]]: 10.17{{c}} | |||
* [[64edo]]: 9.38{{c}} | |||
* [[66edo]]: 9.09{{c}} | |||
* [[69edo]]: 8.70{{c}} | |||
* [[71edo]]: 8.45{{c}} | |||
You can calculate this for any edo by subtracting the smaller fifth from the bigger fifth, then dividing the result by two (i.e., by dividing the size of one edo-step by two). | |||
== Dual-fifth temperaments == | == Dual-fifth temperaments == | ||
Unlike conventional temperaments, "[[dual-fifth temperaments]]" do not attempt to optimize every interval to low-limit JI, but treat the "sharp 3" (3⁺) and the "flat 3" (3⁻) as distinct dimensions. The sharp 3 and the flat 3 are not meant to represent JI intervals by themselves, but satisfy 3⁺ × 3⁻ = 9 (representing [[9/1]] in JI); hence 2.3⁻.9 and 2.3⁻.3⁺ are the same subgroup. | Unlike conventional temperaments, "[[dual-fifth temperaments]]" do not attempt to optimize every [[interval]] to low-limit [[JI]], but treat the "sharp 3" (3⁺) and the "flat 3" (3⁻) as distinct dimensions. The sharp 3 and the flat 3 are not meant to represent JI intervals by themselves, but satisfy 3⁺ × 3⁻ = 9 (representing [[9/1]] in JI); hence 2.3⁻.9 and 2.3⁻.3⁺ are the same [[subgroup]]. | ||
For example, "dual-3 sixix" is a 2.3⁻.9.5 temperament with an optimal [[generator]] around 335.8¢ (optimizing only the 2.9.5 portion of the subgroup). Two generators up make the flat fifth, and five generators down make the flat fourth. Hence 3 generators down represent [[9/8]] and 6 generators down represent [[5/4]]. Hence dual-3 sixix tempers out [[81/80]] in the 2.9.5 subgroup, but only every third interval in the sixix generator chains represents a JI interval. | |||
18edo is notable for supporting both dual-3 sixix and dual-3 [[A-Team]] with the 2.3⁻.3⁺.5 val {{val|18 28 29 42}}. | |||
Alternatively, dual-fifth temperaments can be analyzed in a more conventional way as [[subgroup temperament]]s, where one of the fifths is mapped to [[3/2]] and the other is mapped to a nearby [[wolf interval|wolf fifth]] (such as [[64/43]], which is convenient since 2.3.43 is the same subgroup as 2.3.64/43). | |||
For a list of dual-fifth temperaments and their properties, see: | |||
* [[Dual-fifth temperaments]] | |||
=== Multiple-fifth temperaments === | === Multiple-fifth temperaments === | ||
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That is, all the different mappings of 3 align eventually at a 3<sup>''n''</sup> interval. | That is, all the different mappings of 3 align eventually at a 3<sup>''n''</sup> interval. | ||
For example, [[91edo]] has 3 usable fifths with their own functions - 52\91 (3<sup>-</sup>), 53\91 (3), and 54\91 (3<sup>+</sup>). Thus, if used this way they do not represent distinct dimensions, but rather | For example, [[91edo]] has 3 usable fifths with their own functions - 52\91 (3<sup>-</sup>), 53\91 (3), and 54\91 (3<sup>+</sup>). Thus, if used this way they do not represent distinct dimensions, but rather correspond to 3 × 3<sup>-</sup> × 3<sup>+</sup> = 27/1. | ||
== Music == | |||
*[[File:Sixix Fugue.mp3|256x256px]] A fugue in [[18edo]] as a dual-fifth tuning (WIP) | |||
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