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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Ratio = 8/7
| Name = septimal whole tone, supermajor second, septimal major second, septimal supermajor second
| Monzo = 3 0 0 -1
| Cents = 231.17409
| Name = septimal whole tone, <br>supermajor second, <br>septimal major second
| Color name = r2, ru 2nd
| Color name = r2, ru 2nd
| FJS name = M2<sub>7</sub>
| Sound = jid_8_7_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_8_7_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
}}
}}
{{Wikipedia|Septimal whole tone}}
{{Wikipedia|Septimal whole tone}}


In [[just intonation]], 8/7 is the '''supermajor second''' or '''septimal major second''' of approximately 231.2{{cent}}. Although it falls between the familiar major second and minor third of [[12edo]], it generally sounds more like a wide second than a narrow third. It can be found between the 7th and 8th [[harmonic]]s and is thus a [[superparticular]] ratio. In [[7-limit]] JI and higher, it is treated as a consonance, particularly in the context of a chord such as 4:5:6:7:8, where it appears between the harmonic seventh ([[7/4]]) and octave. It differs from the Pythagorean major second of [[9/8]] by [[64/63]], a microtone of about 27.3{{cent}}. It is close in size to one step of 5edo = 240{{cent}}.
In [[just intonation]], 8/7 is the '''septimal major second''', or '''septimal supermajor second''', of approximately 231.2{{cent}}. Although it falls between the familiar major second and minor third of [[12edo]], most people think of it more like a wide second than a narrow third. It can be found between the 7th and 8th [[harmonic]]s and is thus a [[superparticular]] ratio. In [[7-limit]] JI and higher, it is treated as a consonance, particularly in the context of a chord such as 4:5:6:7:8, where it appears between the harmonic seventh ([[7/4]]) and octave. It differs from the Pythagorean major second of [[9/8]] by [[64/63]], a microtone of about 27.3{{cent}}. It is close in size to 5edo's 240{{c}} step.
 
A stack of three supermajor seconds is close to a perfect fifth ([[3/2]]). The difference is [[1029/1024]] (about 8.4{{cent}}), which is tempered out in [[slendric]] and [[31edo]].


A stack of three supermajor seconds is close to a perfect fifth ([[3/2]]). The difference is [[1029/1024]] (about 8.4{{c}}), which is tempered out in [[slendric]] systems like [[31edo]].
== Approximation ==
{{Interval edo approximation|8/7}}
== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[7/4]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[7/4]] – its [[octave complement]]
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* [[7/6]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[7/6]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[8/7 equal-step tuning]]


[[Category:7-limit]]
[[Category:Second]]
[[Category:Second]]
[[Category:Supermajor second]]
[[Category:Supermajor second]]
[[Category:Superparticular]]
[[Category:Over-7 intervals]]
[[Category:Octave-reduced subharmonics]]
[[Category:Over-7]]

Latest revision as of 16:02, 11 April 2026

Interval information
Ratio 8/7
Factorization 23 × 7-1
Monzo [3 0 0 -1
Size in cents 231.1741¢
Names septimal whole tone,
supermajor second,
septimal major second,
septimal supermajor second
Color name r2, ru 2nd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M2}_{7} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced,
reduced subharmonic
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 5.80735
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 6
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 13

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In just intonation, 8/7 is the septimal major second, or septimal supermajor second, of approximately 231.2 ¢. Although it falls between the familiar major second and minor third of 12edo, most people think of it more like a wide second than a narrow third. It can be found between the 7th and 8th harmonics and is thus a superparticular ratio. In 7-limit JI and higher, it is treated as a consonance, particularly in the context of a chord such as 4:5:6:7:8, where it appears between the harmonic seventh (7/4) and octave. It differs from the Pythagorean major second of 9/8 by 64/63, a microtone of about 27.3 ¢. It is close in size to 5edo's 240 ¢ step.

A stack of three supermajor seconds is close to a perfect fifth (3/2). The difference is 1029/1024 (about 8.4 ¢), which is tempered out in slendric systems like 31edo.

Approximation

Edo approximations for 8/7 (231.17 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
5 1\5 240.00 +8.83 +3.68
10 2\10 240.00 +8.83 +7.35
16 3\16 225.00 -6.17 -8.23
21 4\21 228.57 -2.60 -4.55
26 5\26 230.77 -0.40 -0.88
31 6\31 232.26 +1.08 +2.80
36 7\36 233.33 +2.16 +6.48
42 8\42 228.57 -2.60 -9.11
47 9\47 229.79 -1.39 -5.43
52 10\52 230.77 -0.40 -1.75
57 11\57 231.58 +0.40 +1.92
62 12\62 232.26 +1.08 +5.60
67 13\67 232.84 +1.66 +9.28
68 13\68 229.41 -1.76 -9.99
73 14\73 230.14 -1.04 -6.31
78 15\78 230.77 -0.40 -2.63

See also