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[[Meantone]] can be notated with a [[chain of fifths]] consisting of the 7 natural notes along with sharps and flats:


Most musicians are familiar with the [[Circle-of-fifths notation|circle of fifths]]. In general, notes use 7 base note letters, along with sharps, double-sharps, flats, and double-flats (and beyond):
... {{dash|F𝄫, C𝄫, G𝄫, D𝄫, A𝄫, E𝄫, B𝄫, F♭, C♭, G♭, D♭, A♭, E♭, B♭, F, C, G, D, A, E, B, F♯, C♯, G♯, D♯, A♯, E♯, B♯, F𝄪, C𝄪, G𝄪, D𝄪, A𝄪, E𝄪, B𝄪|hair|long}} ...


... F𝄫 – C𝄫 – G𝄫 – D𝄫 – A𝄫 – E𝄫 – B𝄫 – F♭ – C♭ – G♭ – D♭ – A♭ – E♭ – B♭ – F – C – G – D – A – E – B – F♯ – C♯ – G♯ – D♯ – A♯ – E♯ – B♯ – F𝄪 – C𝄪 – G𝄪 – D𝄪 – A𝄪 – E𝄪 – B𝄪 ...
The chain is theoretically infinite, and C♯ and D♭ are not (in general) equivalent. When meantone is extended beyond 12 notes, it may require double-sharps, double-flats, and beyond. To avoid this, two new accidental pairs are introduced that raise/lower by the [[diesis]] and the [[kleisma]].
 
In some tunings (such as 24edo and 31edo), sharps can be split in half. Thus, some notes can be notated using semisharps and semiflats or with [[ups and Downs Notation|ups and downs]].
 
For example, in 31edo, the chromatic scale becomes:
 
C – D𝄫 – C♯ – D♭ – C𝄪 – D – E𝄫 – D♯ – E♭ – D𝄪 – E – F♭ – E♯ – F – G𝄫 – F♯ – G♭ – F𝄪 – G – A𝄫 – G♯ – A♭ – G𝄪 – A – B𝄫 – A♯ – B♭ – A𝄪 – B – C♭ – B♯ – C
 
Note that the base note letters alternate.
 
The meantone circle of fifths, however, has no single semisharp or semiflat. In extended meantone notation, a sharp is split into 2 different parts, the diesis and the kleisma.
 
== Generalizing accidentals ==
Sharps and flats denote raising and lowering by a given number of chromatic semitones. The diesis is the difference between adjacent accidentals (e.g. C♯–D♭ and D♯–E♭), while the kleisma is the amount by which B♯ exceeds C♭ and E♯ exceeds F♭.


{| class="wikitable center-all"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! colspan="2" | Symbol
! colspan="2" | Symbol
! rowspan="2" | Interval
! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | Interval
! rowspan="2" | Number of fifths<br>(move up to raise,<br>move down to lower)
! rowspan="2" | Examples
! rowspan="2" | [[Fifthspan]]
|-
|-
! Raise
! Raise
! Lower
! Lower
|-
|-
|
| &#x266F;
|
| &#x266D;
| Chromatic semitone
| Chromatic<br>semitone
| 7
| Augmented<br>unison (A1)
| C&ndash;C&#x266F;<br>E&#x266D;&ndash;E
| +7
|-
|-
|
| &uarr;
|
| &darr;
| Diesis
| Diesis
| 12
| Diminished 2nd (d2)
| C&#x266F;&ndash;D&#x266D;<br>D&#x266F;&ndash;E
| &minus;12
|-
|-
| +
| +
| &minus;
| &minus;
| Kleisma
| Kleisma
| 19
| [[Negative interval|Negative]] double-<br>diminished 2nd (-dd2)
| C&#x266D;&#x200A;&ndash;&#x200A;B&#x266F;<br>F&#x266D;&#x200A;&ndash;&#x200A;E&#x266F;
| +19
|}
|}


A meantone chromatic semitone consists of one diesis and one kleisma. Note that in most meantone tunings, the diesis and kleisma are roughly a quarter tone. The diesis represents the [[just intonation|just]] intervals [[128/125]] and [[648/625]], while the meantone kleisma represents [[15625/15552]] or [[3125/3072]]. In [[septimal meantone]] (meantone temperaments where 7/4 is an augmented sixth), the diesis also represents [[36/35]], [[50/49]], and [[64/63]], while the kleisma also represents [[49/48]] and [[245/243]].
Because {{nowrap|19 &minus; 12 {{=}} 7}}, {{nowrap|d2 + &minus;dd2 {{=}} A1}}, and a diesis plus a kleisma equals a chromatic semitone.
 
An octave is made up of:
 
* 7 diatonic semitones and 5 chromatic semitones {{nowrap|{{=}} 7 m2 + 5 A1}} {{nowrap|{{=}} 12 steps}}
* 12 chromatic semitones and 7 dieses {{nowrap|{{=}} 12 A1 + 7 d2}} {{nowrap|{{=}} 19 steps}}
* 19 dieses and 12 kleismas {{nowrap|{{=}} 19 d2 + 12 &minus;dd2}} {{nowrap|{{=}} 31 steps}}
 
The diesis represents the [[just intonation|just]] intervals [[128/125]] and [[648/625]] among others, while the meantone kleisma represents [[15625/15552]] = [-6 -5 6⟩ and [[3125/3072]] = [-10 -1 5⟩ among others. In [[septimal meantone]], where 7/4 is an augmented sixth, the diesis also represents [[36/35]], [[50/49]], and [[64/63]], while the kleisma also represents [[49/48]] and [[245/243]].
 
The [[Enharmonic unison|enharmonic unisons]] &darr;d2 and &minus;&darr;A1 create various notational equivalences:
 
* B&#x266F;&uarr; and B&#x1D12A;&minus; are equal to C
* C+&uarr; is equal to C&#x266F; (because the two semisharps add up)
* D&#x1D12B;&darr; and D&#x266D;&#x266D;&#x266D;&minus; are equal to C
 
If the fifth is wider than {{nowrap|7\12 {{=}} 700{{c}}}}, C&#x266F; is higher in pitch than D&#x266D; and the diesis becomes a descending pythagorean comma. In 12edo, the tempering out of the diesis means that  {{nowrap|C&#x266F; {{=}} D&#x266D;}}.  


An octave is made of 19 dieses and 12 kleismas. Unlike semisharps and semiflats, the diesis and kleisma can be generalized to other tunings:
If the fifth is narrower than 11\19 = ~695¢, B&#x266F; is lower in pitch than C&#x266D; and the kleisma becomes a descending double-diminished 2nd. In 19edo, the tempering out of the kleisma means that {{nowrap|B&#x266F; {{=}} C&#x266D;}}.


{| class="wikitable center-all"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
! rowspan="2" | EDO
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Various EDOs that support meantone
! rowspan="2" | Syntonic<br>comma fraction
|-
! rowspan="3" | [[EDO]]
! rowspan="3" | Approximate<br />[[81/80|syntonic<br />comma]]<br />fraction
! colspan="4" | Steps
! colspan="4" | Steps
! rowspan="2" | Explanation
! rowspan="3" | Relative sizes of the<br />chromatic semitone,<br />diesis, and kleisma
|-
|-
! Chromatic<br>semitone
! style="width: 90px;" | Chromatic<br>semitone
! Diatonic<br>semitone
! style="width: 90px;" | Diatonic<br>semitone
! Diesis
! Diesis
! Kleisma
! Kleisma
|-
|-
| [[7edo|7]]
! A1
|
! m2
| 0
! d2
| 1
! &minus;dd2
| 1
| &minus;1
| Chromatic semitone is tempered out, <br>diesis is positive, and kleisma is negative
|-
|-
| [[12edo|12]]
| [[12edo]]
| {{frac|11}} comma
| {{frac|11}}&nbsp;comma
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 0
| 0
| 1
| 1
| Chromatic semitone is equal to kleisma,<br>diesis is tempered out
| Chromatic semitone is equal to kleisma,<br />diesis is tempered out
|-
|-
| [[19edo|19]]
| [[19edo]]
| {{frac|3}} comma
| {{frac|3}}&nbsp;comma
| 1
| 1
| 2
| 2
| 1
| 1
| 0
| 0
| Chromatic semitone is equal to diesis,<br>kleisma is tempered out
| Chromatic semitone is equal to diesis,<br />kleisma is tempered out
|-
|-
| [[26edo|26]]
| [[26edo]]
|  
|
| 1
| 1
| 3
| 3
| 2
| 2
| &minus;1
| &minus;1
| rowspan="2" | Diesis is larger than chromatic semitone,<br>kleisma is negative
| Chromatic semitone is smaller than diesis,<br />kleisma is negative
|-
| [[33edo#Theory|33c]]
| {{frac|2}} comma
| 1
| 4
| 3
| &minus;2
|-
|-
| [[31edo|31]]
| [[31edo]]
| {{frac|4}} comma
| {{frac|4}}&nbsp;comma
| 2
| 2
| 3
| 3
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| Diesis is equal to kleisma
| Diesis is equal to kleisma
|-
|-
| [[43edo|43]]
| [[33edo#Theory|33c-edo]]
| {{frac|5}} comma
| {{frac|2}}&nbsp;comma
| 1
| 4
| 3
| &minus;2
| Chromatic semitone is smaller than diesis,<br />kleisma is negative
|-
| [[43edo]]
| {{frac|5}}&nbsp;comma
| 3
| 3
| 4
| 4
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| rowspan="2" | Diesis is smaller than kleisma
| rowspan="2" | Diesis is smaller than kleisma
|-
|-
| [[55edo|55]]
| [[55edo]]
| {{frac|6}} comma
| {{frac|6}}&nbsp;comma
| 4
| 4
| 5
| 5
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| 3
| 3
|-
|-
| [[50edo|50]]
| [[50edo]]
| {{frac|2|7}} comma
| {{frac|2|7}}&nbsp;comma
| 3
| 3
| 5
| 5
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|}
|}


There are of course notational equivalences:
In 33c-edo, 5/4 is mapped to {{nowrap|10\33 {{=}} 364{{c}}}} instead of {{nowrap|11\33 {{=}} 400{{c}}}}.


*B♯↑ and B𝄪− are equal to C
[[9-odd-limit]] intervals and their notation relative to C:
*C+↑ is equal to C♯ (because the two semisharps add up)
*D𝄫↓ and D♭♭♭− are equal to C
 
[[9–odd–limit]] intervals and their notation relative to C:


{| class="wikitable center-all"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! Note
! Note
| C
| C
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| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | E
| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | E
| A
| A
| E♭
| E&#x266D;
| A♭
| A&#x266D;
| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | A♯<br>B♭↓
| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | A&#x266F; <br />B&#x266D;&darr;
| D♯<br>E♭↓
| D&#x266F;<br />E&#x266D;&darr;
| F♯<br>G♭↓
| F&#x266F;<br />G&#x266D;&darr;
| E𝄫<br>D↑
| E<br>D&darr;
| B𝄫<br>A↑
| B<br>A&darr;
| G♭<br>F♯↑
| G&#x266D;<br />F&#x266F;&darr;
| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | D
| colspan="2" style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | D
| B♭
| colspan="2" | B&#x266D;
| F♭<br>E↑
| F&#x266D;<br />E&uarr;
| B♭
| G&#x266F; <br />A&#x266D;&darr;
| D
| G♯<br>A♭↓
|-
|-
! Just interval
! Just interval
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| {{sfrac|10|7}}
| {{sfrac|10|7}}
| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | {{sfrac|9|8}}
| style="border-left: 5px solid black;" | {{sfrac|9|8}}
| {{sfrac|10|9}}
| {{sfrac|9|5}}
| {{sfrac|9|5}}
| {{sfrac|16|9}}
| {{sfrac|9|7}}
| {{sfrac|9|7}}
| {{sfrac|16|9}}
| {{sfrac|10|9}}
| {{sfrac|14|9}}
| {{sfrac|14|9}}
|}
|}


Two dieses or two kleismas cannot be stacked to produce a chromatic semitone. 11–limit and 13–limit notation can vary (see [[meantone vs meanpop]]).
Two dieses or two kleismas cannot be stacked to produce a chromatic semitone except in 31edo, and notation for [[11-limit]] and [[13-limit]] intervals (intervals involving the [[11/8|11th harmonic]] and [[13/8|13th harmonic]]) can vary.
 
== True half-sharps and half-flats ==
If sharps raise by an even number of edosteps, such as [[24-tone equal temperament]] (quarter tones) and [[31-tone equal temperament]] (approximately extended [[quarter-comma meantone]]), they (along with flats) can be split in half. Thus, some notes can be notated using semisharps and semiflats, or with [[ups and downs notation|ups and downs]].
 
For example, in 31 equal, the chromatic scale becomes:


Extended meantone notation was created as a way to notate [[43edo]] with only a base letter with one symbol.
{{dash|C, D&#x1D12B;, C&#x266F;, D&#x266D;, C&#x1D12A;, D, E&#x1D12B;, D&#x266F;, E&#x266D;, D&#x1D12A;, E, F&#x266D;, E&#x266F;, F, G&#x1D12B;, F&#x266F;, G&#x266D;, F&#x1D12A;, G, A&#x1D12B;, G&#x266F;, A&#x266D;, G&#x1D12A;, A, B&#x1D12B;, A&#x266F;, B&#x266D;, A&#x1D12A;, B, C&#x266D;, B&#x266F;, C|hair|long}}


== True half-sharps and half-flats ==
Note that the base note letters alternate.
If true half-sharps and true half-flats are desired, which exactly bisect the chromatic semitone, the meantone fifth is split in half. This creates a 2D new tuning system which is generated by a chain of neutral thirds, with meantone existing as every other note in the generator chain. This adds true half-sharps and half-flats, and creates a "neutral" version of each interval class.
 
Using semisharps and semiflats, this can be re-written as:
 
{{dash|C, C{{demisharp2}}, C&#x266F;, D&#x266D;, D{{demiflat2}}, D, D{{demisharp2}}, D&#x266F;, E&#x266D;, E{{demiflat2}}, E, E{{demisharp2}}, F{{demiflat2}}, F, F{{demisharp2}}, F&#x266F;, G&#x266D;, G{{demiflat2}}, G, G{{demisharp2}}, G&#x266F;, A&#x266D;, A{{demiflat2}}, A, A{{demisharp2}}, A&#x266F;, B&#x266D;, B{{demiflat2}}, B, B{{demisharp2}}, C{{demiflat2}}, C|hair|long}}
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If true half-sharps and true half-flats are desired, which exactly bisect the chromatic semitone, the meantone fifth is split in half. This creates a new tuning system consisting of a two-dimensional lattice generated by a chain of neutral thirds, with meantone existing as every other note in the generator chain. This adds true half-sharps and half-flats, and creates a "neutral" version of each interval class.
 
While real-world Arabic and Persian music often involve many very fine microtonal details (such as the use of multiple unequal neutral intervals) and exhibit significant regional variations, and are very difficult to notate exactly as a result, they are commonly notated using half-sharps and half-flats. If we take these to be exactly equal to one-half of a chromatic semitone, then mathematically, this notation system results in the aforementioned two-dimensional lattice. If notes separated by a diminished second, such as C&#x266F; and D&#x266D;, are made enharmonically equivalent, this lattice degenerates further into 24edo, which is often suggested as a simplified framework and tuning system for notating and playing Arabic and Persian music. But the usual written notation typically lets musicians and composers treat adjacent sharps and flats as two distinct entities if it is decided that they should be different.
 
The chain-of-neutral-thirds tuning system is not a true "temperament," because it is [[contorted]]: the neutral third does not have any just interval mapping to it in the 7-limit. But, if we bring in the 11th harmonic, and decide that there should only be a single neutral second (resulting in 11/10 and 12/11, the greater and lesser neutral seconds, both being mapped to a single equally-tempered interval), we obtain [[mohajira]], a very accurate 11-limit temperament. The neutral third approximates 11/9, and two of them make a perfect fifth, resulting in [[243/242]] being tempered out. Furthermore, flattening a minor third by a half-flat results in an approximation of 7/6, while sharpening a major third by a half-sharp gives an approximation of 9/7. Mohajira is supported very well by 24edo and 31edo.


Real-world Arabic and Persian music often involve many fine microtonal details (such as the use of multiple unequal neutral intervals) and exhibit significant regional variations, and as a result they are very difficult to notate exactly. However, they are commonly notated using half-sharps and-half flats. If we take these to be exactly equal to half of a chromatic semitone, then mathematically, this notation system results in a two-dimensional lattice that is generated by a neutral third and an octave. If adjacent sharps and flats, such as C♯ and D♭, are made enharmonically equivalent, this lattice degenerates further into [[24edo]], which is often suggested as a simplified framework and tuning system for notating and playing Arabic and Persian music. But the usual written notation typically lets musicians and composers treat adjacent sharps and flats as two distinct entities if it is decided that they should be different.
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The chain-of-neutral thirds tuning system is not a true "temperament," because it is [[contorted]]: the neutral third does not have any JI interval mapping to it in the 7-limit. But, if we go to the 11-limit, and decide that there should only be a single neutral second (i.e. 121/120 should be tempered out, resulting in the small neutral second of 12/11 and large neutral second of 11/10 both being mapped to a single equally-tempered interval), we obtain [[mohajira]], an exceptionally good 11-limit temperament. The neutral third approximates 11/9, and two of them make a perfect fifth. Furthermore, flattening a minor third by a half-flat results in an approximation of 7/6, while sharpening a major third by a half-sharp gives an approximation of 9/7. In both 24edo and [[31edo]], their closest approximations to the 7th and 11th harmonics both allow them to support mohajira.
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Meantone can be notated with a chain of fifths consisting of the 7 natural notes along with sharps and flats:

... F𝄫 — C𝄫 — G𝄫 — D𝄫 — A𝄫 — E𝄫 — B𝄫 — F♭ — C♭ — G♭ — D♭ — A♭ — E♭ — B♭ — F — C — G — D — A — E — B — F♯ — C♯ — G♯ — D♯ — A♯ — E♯ — B♯ — F𝄪 — C𝄪 — G𝄪 — D𝄪 — A𝄪 — E𝄪 — B𝄪 ...

The chain is theoretically infinite, and C♯ and D♭ are not (in general) equivalent. When meantone is extended beyond 12 notes, it may require double-sharps, double-flats, and beyond. To avoid this, two new accidental pairs are introduced that raise/lower by the diesis and the kleisma.

Symbol Interval Examples Fifthspan
Raise Lower
Chromatic
semitone
Augmented
unison (A1)
C–C♯
E♭–E
+7
Diesis Diminished 2nd (d2) C♯–D♭
D♯–E
−12
+ Kleisma Negative double-
diminished 2nd (-dd2)
C♭ – B♯
F♭ – E♯
+19

Because 19 − 12 = 7, d2 + −dd2 = A1, and a diesis plus a kleisma equals a chromatic semitone.

An octave is made up of:

  • 7 diatonic semitones and 5 chromatic semitones = 7 m2 + 5 A1 = 12 steps
  • 12 chromatic semitones and 7 dieses = 12 A1 + 7 d2 = 19 steps
  • 19 dieses and 12 kleismas = 19 d2 + 12 −dd2 = 31 steps

The diesis represents the just intervals 128/125 and 648/625 among others, while the meantone kleisma represents 15625/15552 = [-6 -5 6⟩ and 3125/3072 = [-10 -1 5⟩ among others. In septimal meantone, where 7/4 is an augmented sixth, the diesis also represents 36/35, 50/49, and 64/63, while the kleisma also represents 49/48 and 245/243.

The enharmonic unisons ↓d2 and −↓A1 create various notational equivalences:

  • B♯↑ and B𝄪− are equal to C
  • C+↑ is equal to C♯ (because the two semisharps add up)
  • D𝄫↓ and D♭♭♭− are equal to C

If the fifth is wider than 7\12 = 700 ¢, C♯ is higher in pitch than D♭ and the diesis becomes a descending pythagorean comma. In 12edo, the tempering out of the diesis means that C♯ = D♭.

If the fifth is narrower than 11\19 = ~695¢, B♯ is lower in pitch than C♭ and the kleisma becomes a descending double-diminished 2nd. In 19edo, the tempering out of the kleisma means that B♯ = C♭.

Various EDOs that support meantone
EDO Approximate
syntonic
comma

fraction
Steps Relative sizes of the
chromatic semitone,
diesis, and kleisma
Chromatic
semitone
Diatonic
semitone
Diesis Kleisma
A1 m2 d2 −dd2
12edo 111 comma 1 1 0 1 Chromatic semitone is equal to kleisma,
diesis is tempered out
19edo 13 comma 1 2 1 0 Chromatic semitone is equal to diesis,
kleisma is tempered out
26edo 1 3 2 −1 Chromatic semitone is smaller than diesis,
kleisma is negative
31edo 14 comma 2 3 1 1 Diesis is equal to kleisma
33c-edo 12 comma 1 4 3 −2 Chromatic semitone is smaller than diesis,
kleisma is negative
43edo 15 comma 3 4 1 2 Diesis is smaller than kleisma
55edo 16 comma 4 5 1 3
50edo 27 comma 3 5 2 1 Diesis is larger than kleisma

In 33c-edo, 5/4 is mapped to 10\33 = 364 ¢ instead of 11\33 = 400 ¢.

9-odd-limit intervals and their notation relative to C:

Note C G F E A E♭ A♭ A♯
B♭↓
D♯
E♭↓
F♯
G♭↓
E
D↓
B
A↓
G♭
F♯↓
D B♭ F♭
E↑
G♯
A♭↓
Just interval 1/1 3/2 4/3 5/4 5/3 6/5 8/5 7/4 7/6 7/5 8/7 12/7 10/7 9/8 10/9 9/5 16/9 9/7 14/9

Two dieses or two kleismas cannot be stacked to produce a chromatic semitone except in 31edo, and notation for 11-limit and 13-limit intervals (intervals involving the 11th harmonic and 13th harmonic) can vary.

True half-sharps and half-flats

If sharps raise by an even number of edosteps, such as 24-tone equal temperament (quarter tones) and 31-tone equal temperament (approximately extended quarter-comma meantone), they (along with flats) can be split in half. Thus, some notes can be notated using semisharps and semiflats, or with ups and downs.

For example, in 31 equal, the chromatic scale becomes:

C — D𝄫 — C♯ — D♭ — C𝄪 — D — E𝄫 — D♯ — E♭ — D𝄪 — E — F♭ — E♯ — F — G𝄫 — F♯ — G♭ — F𝄪 — G — A𝄫 — G♯ — A♭ — G𝄪 — A — B𝄫 — A♯ — B♭ — A𝄪 — B — C♭ — B♯ — C

Note that the base note letters alternate.

Using semisharps and semiflats, this can be re-written as:

C — C⁠ ⁠ — C♯ — D♭ — D⁠ ⁠ — D — D⁠ ⁠ — D♯ — E♭ — E⁠ ⁠ — E — E⁠ ⁠ — F⁠ ⁠ — F — F⁠ ⁠ — F♯ — G♭ — G⁠ ⁠ — G — G⁠ ⁠ — G♯ — A♭ — A⁠ ⁠ — A — A⁠ ⁠ — A♯ — B♭ — B⁠ ⁠ — B — B⁠ ⁠ — C⁠ ⁠ — C