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The chain of fifths is a very important framework historically. It's been in Western music THE way to think about everything all the way from plainchant to Renaissance meantone temperaments to the modern day – where the 12-pitch-class circle of fifths is taught; 12edo remains a massively over-represented tuning. It has a bit of a bad reputation in the xen circles, but the more I researched, the more I realized it is a paragon, and that its position nowadays is very much well earned.

12edo is an undisputed paragon of tonality among music theory of old and young. In the world of xenharmonic music, it is thus extremely desirable, if not necessary, to have a temperament supported by 12edo so that a simple workflow and notation are used. At least, RTT speaking. I will be neglecting Ringer scales and JI well temperaments as I don't care about them.

The easiest way to detemper 12edo is to observe (untemper) one or many more of its nullified commas, though observing a number of similar sized commas and tempering out their difference also works. This produces a rank-2 temperament. A rank-2 temperament can be "retempered" into a finer edo by adding another comma that 12edo doesn't temper out. All that I've explained here can be done with any rank temperament; rank-2s can be detempered into rank-3s, retempered into much finer edos.

The temperaments I'll be showing always have an whole or split octave period, and a whole or split fifth generator, and in any case, notation-wise from a D, the perfect fifth or fourth shall be NEVER spelt with an accidental, that is to say... it is a nominal.

7-limit

Let us take a look at some 7-limit temperaments through the patent valuation (direct approximation primes 2 through 7); which can be analyzed as tempering out 81/80, 64/63, 225/224; and by extension a long list of commas such as the pythagorean comma, 126/125, 2048/2025, 36/35, 5120/5103, 32805/32768... etc.

12

In 12 p.val, 5/4 is a major third, 7/4 is a minor seventh, subsequent temperaments will make modifications to those mappings.

These are rank-2 temperaments, which then can be retempered into finer edos by tempering out another comma not on the list;

Any of these rank-2s can be detempered into a rank-3 temperament which only tempers out one comma. The ones I deem most notable are:

12d

Taking the next best approximation of 7/4, a major sixth, however stupid that might sound... another family of temperaments can be derived. 12d can be analyzed as tempering out 81/80, 2048/2025, 875/864. This is a bad exotemperament because it implies 21/20, 28/27 are tempered out; but so are 32805/32768, 4375/4374.

With flattone:

With srutal:

With pontiac:

Through this val, I deem the following rank-3 temperaments notable:

13-limit

Finding 13-limit 12edo detemperaments is harder, because 12edo notably does a horrible job of approximating primes 11 and 13, which means we have another vals to consider; which is to say, we don't take the direct approximation of some primes, but the next best. Here are 3 vals that I found to be worth of mention.

Summary of the 12edo paths I took my time to analyze. For the unnamed ones, I won't be the one to name them.

12e

Maps 11/8 to a fourth, 13/8 to a minor sixth. It is not the best val temperament wise, but since the corrections of p11 and p13 are in opposite directions to 5/4 and 7/4; but for this, the garibaldi extension cassandra is arguably the best pick, which is just a relabeling of the 3-limit, and can be easily detempered further into what I believe to be the BEST temperament (Ultimate)... see here for more info!

The path through cassandra into Ultimate is the easiest, as it keeps the chain of fifths, and a pythagorean-septimal comma (gary) with a hyper accurate zala, but adds an independent generator for 5 and 13, a "minicomma" that works as aberschisma ~ major minthma. Thus, the mappings of 5 and 13 can be thought as the same as cassandra, but altered by +1 / -1 minicomma. It can be detempered further into rank-4 olympic and finally, the goddamn-fucking-insanely accurate rank-5 temp Batshit AKA Insanismic for the prudes.

It can instead be detempered into hecate, which either cassandra or compton through the shit extension 12e & 72 can do. But I do not recommend going into hecate. It's decent, but it decouples the generic comma of cassandra from the chain of fifths and thus the garischisma is observed, and can't be detempered further into hyper-accurate temperaments.

12f

Maps 11/8 to a tritone, 13/8 to a major sixth. It is the best val temperament wise. All the corrections of primes 5 to 13 are in the same direction. There are two good paths to consider, through tridecimal compton and through diaschismic. Through tridecimal compton, the path ends at helios, yet another marvel temperament, which either way is very similar to compton still... so just use 72edo.

Through diaschismic, things get brighter. I don't really like diaschismic, but it can be detempered into the rank-3 46 & 58 & 270, which is more accurate than Ultimate, altering primes 5-13 by -2, -3, -5, -6 half-valinorsmas. It can be detempered into the ultra-accurate rank-4 {9801/9800, 123201/123200} by subtracting an ibnsinma to primes 7,11,13, and ends at rank-5 chalmersic.

12de

Maps 7/4 to a major sixth, 11/8 to a fourth, 13/8 to a minor sixth. It is an exotemperament; but... if you can stomach the weirdly mapped 7/4, you can go places. The diaschisma is also tempered out but you go through srutal, and this can be dempered into the best 13-limit temperament: donar. It is much more accurate than Ultimate and 46 & 58 & 270. It alters primes 5-13 by -2, +8, +6, +5 half-valinorsmas. Donar then can be detempered into {9801/9800, 123201/123200} or {4375/4374, 4225/4224}, both to chalmersic.

Through the pontiac route you get Quadrapont, pontiac with 4th octaves, You either way can detemper into donar, or whatever the hell 12de & 53 & 171 is. That thing can only detemper into {4375/4374, 4225/4224} by observing the schisma.

19-limit

Extending the paths into the 19-limit is tricky for some val sequences. Here is a brief summary of my finds:

12e

Cassandra and Ultimate are both easy 19-limit temperaments. By tempering out 1225/1224 and 1216/1215, the temps can be strongly extended to include the two new primes. Ultimate is notable as arguably the best yazalathana, altering the minor third of cassandra by +1 minicomma with great accuracy and negligible extra error.

17 is more complex and less accurately tuned, but still within reasonable use and accuracy... though, it needs the 12eg val. This can mitigated if you use saquarumas as accidentals... but still, kinda sorta not the best.

In Olympic, you must use the weak extension Metaolympic, in which your garischisma is split in two heavily inflated 10241/10240 halves, and you use one of these halves to reach 17/16 and 19/16, -1 and +1 respectively. Through Batshittin (a weak extension of Batshit), you use the same 10241/10240 and minas; 4096/4095 ~ 4225/4224.

12f

17 is very easy to reach in diaschismic, equated with 16/15. 19/16 is kinda shit... the best extension I could find is 46h & 58, which is the one that can extend beyond better. 46h & 58 & 270 is very good in the yazalathana, but sucks for prime 17 (as seen here), which is considerably less accurate.

However, things get better as you use the rank-4, as 10241/10240 and the scintillisma are added into the comma mix. This alone is a top-tier temperament, to an extent easily writable in a score (though 19/16 is extremely painful). The chalmersic extension adds the scintillisma and 104976/104975 or 228096/228095 into the mix, requiring kalismas to notate 17/16 and 19/16, not primes 2-13.

As an extra... the rank-4 apparently has a strong extension to the 23-limit! I don't know what that is, though.

12de

This is one sequence I haven't explored too much beyond the 19-limit, as results were inconclusive. 17 is very easy to reach in srutal, equated with 16/15. 19-limit? Not that good, and not that extendable. Donar has an accurate but unusable extension to the 19-limit, requiring a jaw dropping +24 half-valinorsmas to reach qualities of 17/16 and 19/16. I don't deem it easily extendable beyond this.

Notation

Notation and temperament are parts of the same coin RTT-wise, and since the temperaments are different, the notations are different. Here are the notations for 12e and 12f (12de not designed):

The notation for the Ultimate and ULTRAOLYMPIC sequence, as I call them... see here here for more info about this specific notation.
See what I was referring to when I said that 19/16 is extremely painful? Goodness! Looks like Fairie's Aire and Death Waltz!