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'''Rodan''' is one of the notable [[extension]]s of the [[slendric]] [[regular temperament|temperament]], which divides [[3/2]] into three equal intervals representing [[8/7]] ([[tempering out]] the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]]), reaching the full [[7-limit]] such that 17 of these [[generators]] [[stacking|stack]] to reach the interval class of the [[5/1|5th harmonic]]. It tempers out [[245/243]], making it a [[sensamagic clan|sensamagic temperament]], so that [[5/3]] is divided into two intervals of [[9/7]]; and it tempers out [[5120/5103]], making it also a [[hemifamity temperaments|hemifamity temperament]], so that [[9/8]] stacks thrice into [[10/7]]. | '''Rodan''' is one of the notable [[extension]]s of the [[slendric]] [[regular temperament|temperament]], which divides [[3/2]] into three equal intervals representing [[8/7]] ([[tempering out]] the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]]), reaching the full [[7-limit]] such that 17 of these [[generators]] [[stacking|stack]] to reach the interval class of the [[5/1|5th harmonic]]. It tempers out [[245/243]], making it a [[sensamagic clan|sensamagic temperament]], so that [[5/3]] is divided into two intervals of [[9/7]]; and it tempers out [[5120/5103]], making it also a [[hemifamity temperaments|hemifamity temperament]], so that [[9/8]] stacks thrice into [[10/7]]. | ||
Unlike [[mothra]], which flattens the fifth to a [[meantone]] fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of [[41edo]] to that of [[46edo]] (with [[87edo]] being an essentially optimal tuning). As a result, the [[256/243|diatonic minor second]] is compressed, and the interval known as the [[quark]], which represents [[49/48]], [[64/63]], and in rodan also [[81/80]], is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the [[ | Unlike [[mothra]], which flattens the fifth to a [[meantone]] fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of [[41edo]] to that of [[46edo]] (with [[87edo]] being an essentially optimal tuning). As a result, the [[256/243|diatonic minor second]] is compressed, and the interval known as the [[quark]], which represents [[49/48]], [[64/63]], and in rodan also [[81/80]], is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the [[mos scale]]s of rodan [[cluster MOS|cluster]] even more strongly around [[5edo]], although this can be thought of as an advantage in that it simplifies the conceptualization of rodan's inventory of intervals; rather than directly using mos scales, which are either extremely imbalanced or overly large, an approach to rodan may involve picking and choosing which intervals from each [[pentatonic]] category to keep in the scale. | ||
As can be elucidated by [[S-expression]]s, rodan is very much a "counterpart" to mothra: the basic equivalence of slendric tempers S7 (49/48) = S8 (64/63), and mothra proceeds to equate it to S6 ([[36/35]]) as well; meanwhile, rodan extends the equivalence in the opposite direction to add S9 (81/80) to it, making it one of the five [[rank-2 temperament]]s definable by equating three adjacent square superparticulars. | As can be elucidated by [[S-expression]]s, rodan is very much a "counterpart" to mothra: the basic equivalence of slendric tempers S7 (49/48) = S8 (64/63), and mothra proceeds to equate it to S6 ([[36/35]]) as well; meanwhile, rodan extends the equivalence in the opposite direction to add S9 (81/80) to it, making it one of the five [[rank-2 temperament]]s definable by equating three adjacent square superparticulars. | ||
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== Notation == | == Notation == | ||
A notation for rodan is listed in the notation guide for rank-2 pergens under [[pergen]] #8, {{nowrap|(P8, P5/3)}}. The generator is an upmajor | A notation for rodan is listed in the notation guide for rank-2 pergens under [[pergen]] #8, {{nowrap|(P8, P5/3)}}. The generator is an upmajor second. The [[enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation|enharmonic unison]] is a triple-down minor second. Thus three ups equals a diatonic semitone, and three generators equals a perfect fifth. In rodan in particular, ^1 equals ~81/80 and ~64/63, and ^^1 equals ~33/32 and ~[[1053/1024]]. | ||
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-3" | {| class="wikitable center-1 center-3" | ||
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|- | |- | ||
| 5/4 | | 5/4 | ||
| | | Down major third | ||
| C−vE | | C−vE | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7/4 | | 7/4 | ||
| | | Down minor seventh | ||
| C−vB♭ | | C−vB♭ | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11/8 | | 11/8 | ||
| | | Double-up fourth | ||
| C−^^F | | C−^^F | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 13/8 | | 13/8 | ||
| | | Double-up minor sixth | ||
| C−^^A♭ | | C−^^A♭ | ||
|} | |} | ||
Rodan's notation has much in common with that for 41edo and 46edo, since both edos map a minor | Rodan's notation has much in common with that for 41edo and 46edo, since both edos map a minor second to three edosteps. It also resembles the notation for [[cassandra]]. All four notations notate the slendric tetrad (1–8/7–21/16–3/2) on C as C–^D–vF–G, and all four notations notate 5/4, 7/4, 11/8, and 13/8 as in the table above. But the notations diverge for other intervals, such as 11/10. | ||
== Chords == | == Chords == | ||
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== Music == | == Music == | ||
; [[Gene Ward Smith]] | ; [[Gene Ward Smith]] | ||
* ''Pianodactyl'' (archived 2010) – [https://soundcloud.com/genewardsmith/pianodactyl SoundCloud] | [http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl detail] | [http://www.archive.org/download/Pianodactyl/pianodactyl.mp3 play] – | * ''Pianodactyl'' (archived 2010) – [https://soundcloud.com/genewardsmith/pianodactyl SoundCloud] | [http://www.archive.org/details/Pianodactyl detail] | [http://www.archive.org/download/Pianodactyl/pianodactyl.mp3 play] – in Rodan[26], 87edo tuning | ||
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245/243, 385/384, 441/440 (11-limit)
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((2.3.5.7.11) 21-odd limit) 87 notes
Rodan is one of the notable extensions of the slendric temperament, which divides 3/2 into three equal intervals representing 8/7 (tempering out the gamelisma, 1029/1024), reaching the full 7-limit such that 17 of these generators stack to reach the interval class of the 5th harmonic. It tempers out 245/243, making it a sensamagic temperament, so that 5/3 is divided into two intervals of 9/7; and it tempers out 5120/5103, making it also a hemifamity temperament, so that 9/8 stacks thrice into 10/7.
Unlike mothra, which flattens the fifth to a meantone fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of 41edo to that of 46edo (with 87edo being an essentially optimal tuning). As a result, the diatonic minor second is compressed, and the interval known as the quark, which represents 49/48, 64/63, and in rodan also 81/80, is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the mos scales of rodan cluster even more strongly around 5edo, although this can be thought of as an advantage in that it simplifies the conceptualization of rodan's inventory of intervals; rather than directly using mos scales, which are either extremely imbalanced or overly large, an approach to rodan may involve picking and choosing which intervals from each pentatonic category to keep in the scale.
As can be elucidated by S-expressions, rodan is very much a "counterpart" to mothra: the basic equivalence of slendric tempers S7 (49/48) = S8 (64/63), and mothra proceeds to equate it to S6 (36/35) as well; meanwhile, rodan extends the equivalence in the opposite direction to add S9 (81/80) to it, making it one of the five rank-2 temperaments definable by equating three adjacent square superparticulars.
As for further extensions, slendric temperaments often find 55/32 at 4 generator steps (tempering out 385/384 and 441/440), giving new interpretations to the quark as 55/54 and 56/55; 55/32 is particularly accurate in the tuning subrange appropriate for rodan, and so harmonic 11 can easily be found at -13 generator steps. The diatonic minor third (32/27) in hemifamity temperaments represents the square root of 7/5, for which 13/11 is a good interpretation (tempering out 352/351 and 847/845), which turns out to place harmonic 13 at -22 generator steps. Finally, 17/13 is a good interpretation of the slendric subfourth comprising two generators, otherwise equated to 21/16 (tempering out 273/272 and 833/832), and this places harmonic 17 at -20 generator steps. Thus proceeds the canonical extension of rodan out to the 17-limit.
See Gamelismic clan #Rodan for more information.
Interval chain
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–21 are in bold.
| # | Cents* | Approximate ratios | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 13-limit | 17-limit extension | ||
| 0 | 0.00 | 1/1 | |
| 1 | 234.48 | 8/7 | |
| 2 | 468.96 | 21/16 | 17/13 |
| 3 | 703.45 | 3/2 | |
| 4 | 937.93 | 12/7 | |
| 5 | 1172.41 | 63/32, 160/81 | |
| 6 | 206.89 | 9/8 | |
| 7 | 441.38 | 9/7 | 22/17 |
| 8 | 675.86 | 40/27 | |
| 9 | 910.34 | 22/13, 27/16, 33/28 | |
| 10 | 1144.82 | 27/14, 35/18, 64/33 | 33/17 |
| 11 | 179.30 | 10/9 | |
| 12 | 413.79 | 14/11, 33/26, 80/63 | |
| 13 | 648.27 | 16/11 | |
| 14 | 882.75 | 5/3 | |
| 15 | 1117.23 | 21/11, 40/21 | |
| 16 | 151.71 | 12/11 | |
| 17 | 386.20 | 5/4 | |
| 18 | 620.68 | 10/7 | |
| 19 | 855.16 | 18/11, 64/39 | 28/17 |
| 20 | 1089.64 | 15/8 | 32/17 |
| 21 | 124.13 | 14/13, 15/14 | |
| 22 | 358.61 | 16/13, 27/22 | 21/17 |
| 23 | 593.09 | 45/32 | 24/17 |
| 24 | 827.57 | 21/13 | |
| 25 | 1062.05 | 24/13 | |
* In 13-limit CWE tuning, octave reduced
Notation
A notation for rodan is listed in the notation guide for rank-2 pergens under pergen #8, (P8, P5/3). The generator is an upmajor second. The enharmonic unison is a triple-down minor second. Thus three ups equals a diatonic semitone, and three generators equals a perfect fifth. In rodan in particular, ^1 equals ~81/80 and ~64/63, and ^^1 equals ~33/32 and ~1053/1024.
| Ratio | Nominal | Example |
|---|---|---|
| 3/2 | Perfect fifth | C−G |
| 5/4 | Down major third | C−vE |
| 7/4 | Down minor seventh | C−vB♭ |
| 11/8 | Double-up fourth | C−^^F |
| 13/8 | Double-up minor sixth | C−^^A♭ |
Rodan's notation has much in common with that for 41edo and 46edo, since both edos map a minor second to three edosteps. It also resembles the notation for cassandra. All four notations notate the slendric tetrad (1–8/7–21/16–3/2) on C as C–^D–vF–G, and all four notations notate 5/4, 7/4, 11/8, and 13/8 as in the table above. But the notations diverge for other intervals, such as 11/10.
Chords
Scales
Tunings
Tuning spectrum
| Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7/4 | 231.174 | ||
| 17/13 | 232.214 | ||
| 7/6 | 232.282 | ||
| 21\36 | 233.333 | 36cfg val, lower bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 9/7 | 233.583 | ||
| 3/2 | 233.985 | ||
| 24\41 | 234.146 | Lower bound of 11- to 17-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 15/14 | 234.259 | ||
| 7/5 | 234.305 | 7- and 9-odd-limit minimax | |
| 11/9 | 234.347 | 11-odd-limit minimax | |
| 75\128 | 234.375 | 128g val | |
| 13/9 | 234.407 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax | |
| 15/8 | 234.413 | ||
| 11/6 | 234.415 | ||
| 15/11 | 234.453 | ||
| 13/12 | 234.457 | ||
| 15/13 | 234.470 | ||
| 51\87 | 234.483 | ||
| 5/4 | 234.489 | 5-odd-limit minimax | |
| 11/10 | 234.500 | ||
| 13/10 | 234.507 | ||
| 11/8 | 234.514 | ||
| 13/8 | 234.521 | ||
| 13/11 | 234.532 | ||
| 17/9 | 234.575 | 17-odd-limit minimax | |
| 17/15 | 234.583 | ||
| 78\133 | 234.586 | ||
| 5/3 | 234.597 | ||
| 17/10 | 234.631 | ||
| 17/12 | 234.652 | ||
| 17/16 | 234.752 | ||
| 9/5 | 234.764 | ||
| 27\46 | 234.783 | Upper bound of 11- to 17-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 11/7 | 234.792 | ||
| 3\5 | 240.000 | 5f val, upper bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone |
Music
- Pianodactyl (archived 2010) – SoundCloud | detail | play – in Rodan[26], 87edo tuning