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**Category: Tuning methods. A category that would encompass all articles about how electronic instruments are made to adhere to alternative (non-12-EDO) tunings. "Practical tuning" or "Tuning practices" or Tuning mechanisms" or "Tuning technique" (currently in use but deprecated with redirect) or "Tuning practice" are alternatives perhaps? I note that the current [[:Category:Tuning]] is about the theoretical side and not at all the practical side. However, it might instead be best to stick everything in Tuning, practical and theoretical, although that's not the direction I currently lean toward. I'd rather see "Tuning methods" offered as a category on the Category:Tuning page, and hide all the "methods" pages in there.

*'''Indian music''' ([[User:Mousemambo/Indian music]]). Replace the existing article "[[Indian]]" which, by the way, has a strange and dismaying page title (see below). Provide some history and current usage of tuning selections in the various branches of Indian music, and links to outside information. See the "[[User:Mousemambo/Workbench#Indian music|Indian music]]" section below for a review of what this wiki already has on the topic.

*'''Scale and tuning system design'''. I'm interested as a beginner in what goes into selecting a "good" scale or tuning system, and what "good" means. It probably means "useful for making music I like listening to" which just moves the question to "What ~~is it about~~ scales and tunings ~~that have been found~~ to help make music that appeals to many people?" A good question for generating an article or set of them -- "Scale design" and "Tuning system design" for example. See the section "[[User:Mousemambo/Workbench#Scale and tuning system design|Scale and tuning system design]]" below for a collection of relevant links. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]]‎ has [https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/780300193110818826/1140877544988622848 suggested on Discord Xen#wiki] that he's interested in adding a "Scale design" section to the "Scale" page, so watch for that. I ~~noted there that some criteria for a "good" (musically useful)~~ tuning ~~system might be that it has correspondence~~ to the harmonic series, especially the fifth and/or third~~; includes~~ many fifths among ~~its~~ intervals~~; is~~ an EDO; is a MOS scale, ~~more~~.

*'''Scale and tuning system design'''. I'm interested as a beginner in what goes into selecting a "good" scale or tuning system, and what "good" means. It probably means "useful for making music I like listening to" which just moves the question to "What attributes of scales and tunings seem to help make music that appeals to many people?" A good question for generating an article or set of them -- "Scale design" and "Tuning system design" for example. See the section "[[User:Mousemambo/Workbench#Scale and tuning system design|Scale and tuning system design]]" below for a collection of relevant links. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]]‎ has [https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/780300193110818826/1140877544988622848 suggested on Discord Xen#wiki] that he's interested in adding a "Scale design" section to the "Scale" page, so watch for that. Some properties that I believe people consider in scale and tuning design:

**Correspondence to the [[harmonic series]], especially the fifth and/or third. Harmonic sounds are perceived by humans as more sonorous, in part due to harmonic blending.

**Includes many close-to-harmonic fifths among intervals of the scale's (or possible scale in the tuning) notes.

**Is an [[EDO]] with the useful properties of those (modulation is relatively easy, for example).

**Is a [[MOS scale]] (many scales that people have found attractive for making music happen to be MOS scales.

**Has enough corresponding scale degrees with 12edo that it is possible to compose in it using music theoretic understanding from Common Practice theory (e.g. [[19edo]]).

**Is an EDO close enough to a popular temperament to substitute for it, e.g. [[19edo]] for [[1/3-comma meantone]].

**Has few enough pitches per [[equave]] that there's no need to select a subset for mapping to standard piano format controllers.

==Practical tuning for beginners pages==

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Also, there are some not (yet) totally outdated pages out beyond the Xenharmonic wiki that are worth learning from:

* [https://producelikeapro.com/blog/getting-started-making-microtonal-music/ Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think.], by Michael W. Dean. Also archived here as [[Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think]].

*[https://producelikeapro.com/blog/getting-started-making-microtonal-music/ Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think.], by Michael W. Dean. Also archived here as [[Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think]].

* [https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/microtuning-and-alternative-intonation-systems Microtuning and Alternative Intonation Systems], by [[Jacky Ligon]]. MIDI.org (website), Sep 2020.

*[https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/microtuning-and-alternative-intonation-systems Microtuning and Alternative Intonation Systems], by [[Jacky Ligon]]. MIDI.org (website), Sep 2020.

* CronoX 2 User Guide 1.02.sdw, Appendix A: Using TUN Files, by Jacky Ligon. 2003. ([https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/Scala_TUN_Tutorial.pdf PDF])

*CronoX 2 User Guide 1.02.sdw, Appendix A: Using TUN Files, by Jacky Ligon. 2003. ([https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/Scala_TUN_Tutorial.pdf PDF])

* [[wikipedia:MIDI_tuning_standard|MIDI tuning standard]] Wikipedia.

*[[wikipedia:MIDI_tuning_standard|MIDI tuning standard]] Wikipedia.

* [https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/scl_format.html Scala scale file (.SCL) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)

*[https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/scl_format.html Scala scale file (.SCL) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)

* [https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/help.htm#mappings Scala keyboard mapping file (.KBM) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)

*[https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/help.htm#mappings Scala keyboard mapping file (.KBM) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)

* [https://www.mizzan.de/anamark-format Anamark tuning file (.TUN) format]. Mizzen Microtonal Piano (website).

*[https://www.mizzan.de/anamark-format Anamark tuning file (.TUN) format]. Mizzen Microtonal Piano (website).

* ... more to be added

*... more to be added

==Indian music==

== Indian music==

Existing pages addressing microtonality in various branches of Indian music (e.g. [[wikipedia:Hindustani_classical_music|Hindustani classical]], [[wikipedia:Semi-classical_music|Hindustani semi-classical]], [[wikipedia:Carnatic_music|Carnatic classical]], [[wikipedia:Sikh_music|Sikh]], [[wikipedia:Odissi_music|Odissi]], [[wikipedia:Filmi|filmi]], etc.):

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I note that under [[:Category:Traditions]] all the cultural traditions (not just Indian) are named with strange and somewhat dismaying names that omit the word "music" that should follow. E.g. Indian, Arabic and Greek should sensibly be Indian music, Arabic music, and Greek music. The words "Indian," "Arabic," and "Greek" by themselves can mean a people, a culture, or (except for Indian) a language. I believe that these page names and category names should specify "music" or "microtonality" or something else specific. Wikipedia (which this is not) follows [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NOUN&redirect=no WP:Noun].

== Scale and tuning system design ==

==Scale and tuning system design==

An early & developing collection of links to articles relevant to the questions of what makes a "good" scale for music, what makes a "good" tuning system, and what "good" might mean in those contexts.

* In the Xen wiki

*In the Xen wiki

** [[Mike Sheiman's Very Easy Scale Building From The Harmonic Series Page]]

**[[Mike Sheiman's Very Easy Scale Building From The Harmonic Series Page]]

* Outside the Xen wiki

*Outside the Xen wiki

== Toolkit==

==Toolkit==

*General purpose development pages

**[[User:Mousemambo/Sandbox]]

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 **Category: Tuning methods. A category that would encompass all articles about how electronic instruments are made to adhere to alternative (non-12-EDO) tunings. "Practical tuning" or "Tuning practices" or Tuning mechanisms" or "Tuning technique" (currently in use but deprecated with redirect) or "Tuning practice" are alternatives perhaps? I note that the current [[:Category:Tuning]] is about the theoretical side and not at all the practical side. However, it might instead be best to stick everything in Tuning, practical and theoretical, although that's not the direction I currently lean toward. I'd rather see "Tuning methods" offered as a category on the Category:Tuning page, and hide all the "methods" pages in there.
 *'''Indian music''' ([[User:Mousemambo/Indian music]]). Replace the existing article "[[Indian]]" which, by the way, has a strange and dismaying page title (see below). Provide some history and current usage of tuning selections in the various branches of Indian music, and links to outside information. See the "[[User:Mousemambo/Workbench#Indian music|Indian music]]" section below for a review of what this wiki already has on the topic.
-*'''Scale and tuning system design'''. I'm interested as a beginner in what goes into selecting a "good" scale or tuning system, and what "good" means. It probably means "useful for making music I like listening to" which just moves the question to "What is it about scales and tunings that have been found to help make music that appeals to many people?" A good question for generating an article or set of them -- "Scale design" and "Tuning system design" for example. See the section "[[User:Mousemambo/Workbench#Scale and tuning system design|Scale and tuning system design]]" below for a collection of relevant links. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]]‎ has [https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/780300193110818826/1140877544988622848 suggested on Discord Xen#wiki] that he's interested in adding a "Scale design" section to the "Scale" page, so watch for that. I noted there that some criteria for a "good" (musically useful) tuning system might be that it has correspondence to the harmonic series, especially the fifth and/or third; includes many fifths among its intervals; is an EDO; is a MOS scale, more.
+*'''Scale and tuning system design'''. I'm interested as a beginner in what goes into selecting a "good" scale or tuning system, and what "good" means. It probably means "useful for making music I like listening to" which just moves the question to "What attributes of scales and tunings seem to help make music that appeals to many people?" A good question for generating an article or set of them -- "Scale design" and "Tuning system design" for example. See the section "[[User:Mousemambo/Workbench#Scale and tuning system design|Scale and tuning system design]]" below for a collection of relevant links. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]]‎ has [https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/780300193110818826/1140877544988622848 suggested on Discord Xen#wiki] that he's interested in adding a "Scale design" section to the "Scale" page, so watch for that. Some properties that I believe people consider in scale and tuning design:
+**Correspondence to the [[harmonic series]], especially the fifth and/or third. Harmonic sounds are perceived by humans as more sonorous, in part due to harmonic blending.
+**Includes many close-to-harmonic fifths among intervals of the scale's (or possible scale in the tuning) notes.
+**Is an [[EDO]] with the useful properties of those (modulation is relatively easy, for example).
+**Is a [[MOS scale]] (many scales that people have found attractive for making music happen to be MOS scales.
+**Has enough corresponding scale degrees with 12edo that it is possible to compose in it using music theoretic understanding from Common Practice theory (e.g. [[19edo]]).
+**Is an EDO close enough to a popular temperament to substitute for it, e.g. [[19edo]] for [[1/3-comma meantone]].
+**Has few enough pitches per [[equave]] that there's no need to select a subset for mapping to standard piano format controllers.
 ==Practical tuning for beginners pages==
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 Also, there are some not (yet) totally outdated pages out beyond the Xenharmonic wiki that are worth learning from:
-* [https://producelikeapro.com/blog/getting-started-making-microtonal-music/ Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think.], by Michael W. Dean. Also archived here as [[Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think]].
+*[https://producelikeapro.com/blog/getting-started-making-microtonal-music/ Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think.], by Michael W. Dean. Also archived here as [[Making Microtonal Music is Easier Than You’d Think]].
-* [https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/microtuning-and-alternative-intonation-systems Microtuning and Alternative Intonation Systems], by [[Jacky Ligon]]. MIDI.org (website), Sep 2020.
+*[https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/microtuning-and-alternative-intonation-systems Microtuning and Alternative Intonation Systems], by [[Jacky Ligon]]. MIDI.org (website), Sep 2020.
-* CronoX 2 User Guide 1.02.sdw, Appendix A: Using TUN Files, by Jacky Ligon. 2003. ([https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/Scala_TUN_Tutorial.pdf PDF])
+*CronoX 2 User Guide 1.02.sdw, Appendix A: Using TUN Files, by Jacky Ligon. 2003. ([https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/Scala_TUN_Tutorial.pdf PDF])
-* [[wikipedia:MIDI_tuning_standard|MIDI tuning standard]] Wikipedia.
+*[[wikipedia:MIDI_tuning_standard|MIDI tuning standard]] Wikipedia.
-* [https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/scl_format.html Scala scale file (.SCL) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)
+*[https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/scl_format.html Scala scale file (.SCL) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)
-* [https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/help.htm#mappings Scala keyboard mapping file (.KBM) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)
+*[https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/help.htm#mappings Scala keyboard mapping file (.KBM) format specification]. Huygens-Fokker Foundation (website)
-* [https://www.mizzan.de/anamark-format Anamark tuning file (.TUN) format]. Mizzen Microtonal Piano (website).
+*[https://www.mizzan.de/anamark-format Anamark tuning file (.TUN) format]. Mizzen Microtonal Piano (website).
-* ... more to be added
+*... more to be added
-==Indian music==
+== Indian music==
 Existing pages addressing microtonality in various branches of Indian music (e.g. [[wikipedia:Hindustani_classical_music|Hindustani classical]], [[wikipedia:Semi-classical_music|Hindustani semi-classical]], [[wikipedia:Carnatic_music|Carnatic classical]], [[wikipedia:Sikh_music|Sikh]], [[wikipedia:Odissi_music|Odissi]], [[wikipedia:Filmi|filmi]], etc.):
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 I note that under [[:Category:Traditions]] all the cultural traditions (not just Indian) are named with strange and somewhat dismaying names that omit the word "music" that should follow. E.g. Indian, Arabic and Greek should sensibly be Indian music, Arabic music, and Greek music. The words "Indian,"  "Arabic," and "Greek" by themselves can mean a people, a culture, or (except for Indian) a language. I believe that these page names and category names should specify "music" or "microtonality" or something else specific. Wikipedia (which this is not) follows [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NOUN&redirect=no WP:Noun].
-== Scale and tuning system design ==
+==Scale and tuning system design==
 An early & developing collection of links to articles relevant to the questions of what makes a "good" scale for music, what makes a "good" tuning system, and what "good" might mean in those contexts.
-* In the Xen wiki
+*In the Xen wiki
-** [[Mike Sheiman's Very Easy Scale Building From The Harmonic Series Page]]
+**[[Mike Sheiman's Very Easy Scale Building From The Harmonic Series Page]]
-* Outside the Xen wiki
+*Outside the Xen wiki
-== Toolkit==
+==Toolkit==
 *General purpose development pages
 **[[User:Mousemambo/Sandbox]]