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{{Infobox Interval

~~| Ratio = 17/12~~

~~| Monzo = -2 -1 0 0 0 0 1~~

~~| Cents = 603.00041~~

| Name = larger septendecimal tritone

| Color name = 17o5, iso 5th

~~| FJS name = d5<sup>17</sup>~~

| Sound = jid_17_12_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3

}}

In [[17-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''17/12''' is the '''~~larger~~ septendecimal tritone''', measuring very nearly 603¢. Its inversion is the smaller septendecimal tritone, [[24/17]], and the interval that separates them is the small [[comma]] [[289/288]], about 6¢. This difference is usually negligible, and tempering out this comma allows the 600¢ half-octave to function as both septendecimal tritones. Thus, every even-numbered [[~~EDO~~]] system contains a close approximation to these intervals.

In [[17-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''17/12''' is the '''large septendecimal tritone''', measuring very nearly 603¢. Its inversion is the smaller septendecimal tritone, [[24/17]], and the interval that separates them is the small [[comma]] [[289/288]], about 6¢. This difference is usually negligible, and tempering out this comma allows the 600¢ half-octave to function as both septendecimal tritones. Thus, every even-numbered [[edo]] system contains a close approximation to these intervals.

17/12 is the [[mediant]] between the two septimal tritones [[7/5]] and [[10/7]].

== Terminology and notation ==

Conceptualization systems disagree on whether [[17/16]] should be a [[diatonic semitone]] or a [[chromatic semitone]], and as a result the disagreement propagates to all intervals of [[harmonic class|HC17]]. See [[17-limit]] for a detailed discussion.

For 17/12 specifically:

* In [[Functional Just System]], it is a diminished fifth, separated by [[4131/4096]] from the [[1024/729|Pythagorean diminished fifth (1024/729)]].

* In [[Helmholtz-Ellis notation]], it is an augmented fourth, separated by [[2187/2176]] from the [[729/512|Pythagorean augmented fourth (729/512)]].

The term ''large septendecimal tritone'' omits the distinction and only describes its melodic property i.e. the size. It is said in contrast to the small septendecimal tritone of 24/17.

== See also ==

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* [[Gallery of just intervals]]

~~[[Category:17-limit]]~~

[[Category:Tritone]]

~~[[Category:Pages with internal sound examples]]~~

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 {{Infobox Interval
-| Ratio = 17/12
-| Monzo = -2 -1 0 0 0 0 1
-| Cents = 603.00041
 | Name = larger septendecimal tritone
 | Color name = 17o5, iso 5th
-| FJS name = d5<sup>17</sup>
 | Sound = jid_17_12_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
 }}
-In [[17-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''17/12''' is the '''larger septendecimal tritone''', measuring very nearly 603¢. Its inversion is the smaller septendecimal tritone, [[24/17]], and the interval that separates them is the small [[comma]] [[289/288]], about 6¢. This difference is usually negligible, and tempering out this comma allows the 600¢ half-octave to function as both septendecimal tritones. Thus, every even-numbered [[EDO]] system contains a close approximation to these intervals.
+In [[17-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''17/12''' is the '''large septendecimal tritone''', measuring very nearly 603¢. Its inversion is the smaller septendecimal tritone, [[24/17]], and the interval that separates them is the small [[comma]] [[289/288]], about 6¢. This difference is usually negligible, and tempering out this comma allows the 600¢ half-octave to function as both septendecimal tritones. Thus, every even-numbered [[edo]] system contains a close approximation to these intervals.
 /12 is the [[mediant]] between the two septimal tritones [[7/5]] and [[10/7]].
+== Terminology and notation ==
+Conceptualization systems disagree on whether [[17/16]] should be a [[diatonic semitone]] or a [[chromatic semitone]], and as a result the disagreement propagates to all intervals of [[harmonic class|HC17]]. See [[17-limit]] for a detailed discussion.
+For 17/12 specifically:
+* In [[Functional Just System]], it is a diminished fifth, separated by [[4131/4096]] from the [[1024/729|Pythagorean diminished fifth (1024/729)]].
+* In [[Helmholtz-Ellis notation]], it is an augmented fourth, separated by [[2187/2176]] from the [[729/512|Pythagorean augmented fourth (729/512)]].
+The term ''large septendecimal tritone'' omits the distinction and only describes its melodic property i.e. the size. It is said in contrast to the small septendecimal tritone of 24/17.
 == See also ==
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 * [[Gallery of just intervals]]
-[[Category:17-limit]]
 [[Category:Tritone]]
-[[Category:Pages with internal sound examples]]