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The | The '''gammic family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[gammic comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -29 -11 20 }}), a [[5-limit]] comma of about 4.77 cents in size. | ||
== Gammic == | |||
The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank-1 temperament divides a [[~]][[3/2]] into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a ~[[5/4]]. This is closely related to the rank-2 [[microtemperament]] tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}, the gammic comma. This temperament, gammic, takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is ~[[1990656/1953125]] ({{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}), which when suitably tempered is very close to [[171edo|5\171]], which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. | |||
As a 5-limit temperament supported by 171edo, the [[schismic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismic, tempering out the [[schisma]] ({{monzo| -15 8 1 }}), is plainly much less complex than gammic, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. | |||
The 34-note [[mos]] is interesting, being a 1L 33s refinement of the [[34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34edo, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of Carlos Gamma if used for it. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 20 11 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 20 11 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~1990656/1953125 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~1990656/1953125 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]] | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0419{{c}}, ~1990656/1953125 = 35.0977{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.042 +0.399 -0.156 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~1990656/1953125 = 35.0981{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.008 -0.234 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }} | ||
[[Badness | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.06 | ||
=== Overview to extensions === | |||
==== 7-limit extensions ==== | |||
Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is well motivated to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of [[pontiac]]. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note generator chain is possible. | |||
[[ | ==== Subgroup extensions ==== | ||
Gammic also naturally extends with the [[17/1|17th harmonic]], as is given in [[#Subgroup extensions_2|#Subgroup extensions]]. | |||
== Septimal gammic == | == Septimal gammic == | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 0 | 0 20 11 96 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 0 | 0 20 11 96 }} | ||
[[Optimal tuning]] | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0712{{c}}, ~234375/229376 = 35.0924{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.071 -0.035 -0.154 +0.049 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~234375/229376 = 35.0913{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.130 -0.310 -0.065 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 171 | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, …, 137d, 171, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915, 2086c, …, 2599c, 5369bccd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.20 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 | 0 20 11 96 50 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 | 0 20 11 96 50 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.8949{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0855{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0872{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, …, 137d, 171 }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 3.21 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.8098{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0855{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0888{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.98 | ||
=== 17-limit === | === 17-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 3 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 3 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.8393{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0851{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0882{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.60 | ||
== Gammy == | == Gammy == | ||
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[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 94143178827/91913281250 | [[Comma list]]: 225/224, 94143178827/91913281250 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 1 | 0 20 11 62 }} | |||
[[Optimal tuning]] | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.5055{{c}}, ~1990656/1953125 = 34.9984{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.506 -1.482 -0.321 +1.577 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~1990656/1953125 = 34.9947{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -2.060 -1.372 +0.848 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69d, 103, 240, 343b }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69d, 103, 240, 343b }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 5.84 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 | 0 20 11 62 50 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 | 0 20 11 62 50 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5129{{c}}, ~45/44 = 34.9999{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~45/44 = 34.9967{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 2.16 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4356{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0008{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~45/44 = 34.9975{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.38 | ||
=== 17-limit === | === 17-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 3 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 3 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2936{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0057{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~45/44 = 35.0021{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34d, 69de, 103, 137, 240 }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.28 | ||
== Neptune == | == Neptune == | ||
A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68& | A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the {{nowrap| 68 & 171 }} temperament. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps [[6/5]] (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get [[12/7]], the neutral third, [[7/4]] and [[5/4]]. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of [[7-odd-limit]] consonances. [[171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]]. | ||
Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4. | Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4. | ||
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[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072 | [[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -19 -9 -8 | 0 40 22 21 }} | ||
: mapping generators: 2, ~10/7 | |||
: mapping generators: 2, ~7 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]] | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0660{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5815{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.066 +0.053 -0.114 -0.141 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5489{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.000 -0.238 -0.299 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778, 1949d, 3727cdd, 5676ccddd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.593 | ||
==== 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup ==== | ==== 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup ==== | ||
Extending 2.3.5.17 gammic via neptune, we find that both 2401/2400 ({{S|49}}) and 2500/2499 (S50) are tempered out; their product, 1225/1224 (S35) is therefore also tempered out. | Extending 2.3.5.17 gammic via neptune, we find that both 2401/2400 ({{S|49}}) and 2500/2499 (S50) are tempered out; their product, 1225/1224 (S35) is therefore also tempered out. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17 | |||
Comma list: 1225/1224, 2401/2400, 24576/24565 | |||
{{ | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 1 | 0 40 22 21 6 }} | ||
: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0136{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5572{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5504{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 35, 68, 103, 171, 581, 752, 923, 1094 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.404 | |||
==== 2.3.5.7.17.31 subgroup ==== | ==== 2.3.5.7.17.31 subgroup ==== | ||
Since neptune splits the interval of [[5/3]] into two, we can accurately map each part to [[40/31]]~[[31/24]] by tempering out [[961/960]] (S31). This is especially natural, as combined with tempering out 1225/1224 (S35) and 24576/24565 (S16/S17), we can map (17/16)<sup>2</sup> (6 gammic generators) to [[35/31]]. This also gives us its complement with respect to [[5/4]], the interval of 5 gammic generators representing a quarter of a perfect fifth, as [[31/28]]. | Since neptune splits the interval of [[5/3]] into two, we can accurately map each part to [[40/31]]~[[31/24]] by tempering out [[961/960]] (S31). This is especially natural, as combined with tempering out 1225/1224 (S35) and 24576/24565 (S16/S17), we can map (17/16)<sup>2</sup> (6 gammic generators) to [[35/31]]. This also gives us its complement with respect to [[5/4]], the interval of 5 gammic generators representing a quarter of a perfect fifth, as [[31/28]]. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.31 | |||
Comma list: 868/867, 961/960, 1225/1224, 2401/2400 | |||
: mapping | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 1 -11 | 0 40 22 21 6 31 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0519{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5760{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5501{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 35, 68, 103, 171, 752k, 923k }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 0.393 | |||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 78408/78125 | Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 78408/78125 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 5 | 0 40 22 21 -3 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4655{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.7648{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5317{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 35, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 2.10 | ||
==== 13-limit ==== | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 625/624, 1188/1183, 1375/1372 | Comma list: 385/384, 625/624, 1188/1183, 1375/1372 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 5 -21 | 0 40 22 21 -3 48 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4067{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.7290{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5257{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.54 | ||
==== 17-limit ==== | ==== 17-limit ==== | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 561/560, 625/624, 715/714, 1188/1183 | Comma list: 385/384, 561/560, 625/624, 715/714, 1188/1183 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 5 -21 1 | 0 40 22 21 -3 48 6 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2971{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.6784{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5291{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.32 | ||
=== Salacia === | === Salacia === | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 9765625/9732096 | Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 9765625/9732096 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 -48 | 0 40 22 21 100 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2180{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.6341{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5253{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 68e, 103, 171, 274 }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 2.30 | ||
==== 13-limit ==== | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 -48 -21 | 0 40 22 21 100 48 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.1492{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5993{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5249{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 68e, 103, 171, 274 }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.45 | ||
==== 17-limit ==== | ==== 17-limit ==== | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 375/374, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | Comma list: 243/242, 375/374, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -19 -9 -8 -48 -21 1 | 0 40 22 21 100 48 6 }} | ||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0872{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5702{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 617.5264{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 445e }} | ||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.25 | ||
=== Poseidon === | === Poseidon === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 4 5 8 | 0 40 22 21 -37 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 4 5 8 | 0 40 22 21 -37 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~99/70, ~99/98 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~99/70 = 600.0509{{c}}, ~99/98 = 17.5466{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~99/70 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~99/98 = 17.5458{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 68, 206b, 274, 342, 2804cdee, 3146cdee, …, 5198bccdddeeee }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.38 | |||
== Subgroup extensions == | |||
=== Gammic (2.3.5.17) === | |||
The interval of 3 generators represents 1/3 of [[6/5]], which is very close to [[17/16]], with the comma between 6/5 and (17/16)<sup>3</sup> being [[24576/24565]] ([[S-expression|S16/S17]]). This then naturally interprets the generator as [[51/50]] with two generators representing [[25/24]], tempering out [[15625/15606]] (S49⋅S50<sup>2</sup>). | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.17 | |||
Comma list: 15625/15606, 24576/24565 | |||
: mapping generators: ~ | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 4 | 0 20 11 3 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~51/50 | |||
Optimal | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1199.9899{{c}}, ~51/50 = 35.1008{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~51/50 = 35.1008{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 34, 103, 137, 171, 376, 547 }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.320 | ||
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