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A '''neutral second (n2 | {{Infobox interval region | ||
| Name = Neutral second | |||
| Cents lower = 130 | |||
| Cents lower wide = 120 | |||
| Cents upper = 160 | |||
| Cents upper wide = 170 | |||
| JI intervals = 11/10, 12/11, 13/12 | |||
| MOSes = [[1L 8s]], [[1L 7s]], [[1L 6s]], [[9L 1s]], [[8L 1s]], [[7L 1s]] | |||
| Complement = [[Neutral seventh]] | |||
| Lower region = [[Semitone (interval region)|Semitone]] | |||
| Higher region = [[Major second]] | |||
}} | |||
A '''neutral second''' ('''n2''') is an interval that exists as exactly one half of a [[minor third]] in a variant of [[5L 2s|diatonic]] with its original [[perfect fifth|perfect-fifth]] generator halved. Like the [[major second]] and [[minor second]], it is considered a second, so it spans one step in diatonic-based notation, but has a quality between major and minor. | |||
In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a neutral second if it is reasonably mapped to | In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a neutral second if it is reasonably mapped to one step of the diatonic scale and one and a half steps of the chromatic scale. | ||
As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 150{{cent}} in size, distinct from the [[Semitone (interval region)|semitone]] of roughly 100{{c}} and the [[major second]] of roughly 200{{c}}. A rough tuning range for the neutral second is 130 to 170{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions. | As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 150{{cent}} in size, distinct from the [[Semitone (interval region)|semitone]] of roughly 100{{c}} and the [[major second]] of roughly 200{{c}}. A rough tuning range for the neutral second is 130 to 170{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions. This page will consider intervals between about 120 and 170{{c}}. The outer range of this might be too extreme to call neutral seconds, but this is done so that one can find what they're looking for easily. | ||
== In just intonation == | == In just intonation == | ||
=== By prime limit === | === By prime limit === | ||
The [[3-limit]] does not have a simple neutral second, so we start with the 5-limit: | The [[3-limit]] does not have a simple neutral second, so we start with the 5-limit: | ||
* The 5-limit acute minor second or large limma is a ratio of [[27/25]], and is about 133{{c}}. | |||
* The 7-limit septimal neutral second is a ratio of [[35/32]], and is about 155{{c}}. | |||
** There is also a 7-limit swetismic neutral second, which is a ratio of [[49/45]], and is about 147{{c}}. | |||
* The 11-limit (undecimal) neutral/submajor seconds are the ratios of [[12/11]] and [[11/10]], which are about 151{{c}} and 165{{c}}, respectively; 11/10 in particular can also be analyzed as a [[major second]]. Despite that, it is also here for completeness. | |||
* The 13-limit (tridecimal) neutral/supraminor seconds are the ratios of [[14/13]] and [[13/12]], which are about 128{{c}} and 139{{c}}, respectively; 14/13 in particular can also be analyzed as a [[semitone]]. Despite that, it is also here for completeness. | |||
== In mos scales == | |||
Intervals between 120 and 171{{c}} generate the following [[mos]] scales. These tables start from the last monolarge mos generated by the interval range. Scales with more than 12 notes are not included. | |||
== In | |||
Intervals between 120 and 171{{c}} generate the following [[ | |||
These tables start from the last monolarge | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Range | ! Range | ||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" | Mos | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 120–133{{c}} | | 120–133{{c}} | ||
Latest revision as of 13:50, 30 March 2026
| ← Semitone | Neutral second | Major second → |
Example JI intervals
12/11 (150.6¢)
13/12 (138.6¢)
Related regions
A neutral second (n2) is an interval that exists as exactly one half of a minor third in a variant of diatonic with its original perfect-fifth generator halved. Like the major second and minor second, it is considered a second, so it spans one step in diatonic-based notation, but has a quality between major and minor.
In just intonation, an interval may be classified as a neutral second if it is reasonably mapped to one step of the diatonic scale and one and a half steps of the chromatic scale.
As a concrete interval region, it is typically near 150 ¢ in size, distinct from the semitone of roughly 100 ¢ and the major second of roughly 200 ¢. A rough tuning range for the neutral second is 130 to 170 ¢ according to Margo Schulter's theory of interval regions. This page will consider intervals between about 120 and 170 ¢. The outer range of this might be too extreme to call neutral seconds, but this is done so that one can find what they're looking for easily.
In just intonation
By prime limit
The 3-limit does not have a simple neutral second, so we start with the 5-limit:
- The 5-limit acute minor second or large limma is a ratio of 27/25, and is about 133 ¢.
- The 7-limit septimal neutral second is a ratio of 35/32, and is about 155 ¢.
- There is also a 7-limit swetismic neutral second, which is a ratio of 49/45, and is about 147 ¢.
- The 11-limit (undecimal) neutral/submajor seconds are the ratios of 12/11 and 11/10, which are about 151 ¢ and 165 ¢, respectively; 11/10 in particular can also be analyzed as a major second. Despite that, it is also here for completeness.
- The 13-limit (tridecimal) neutral/supraminor seconds are the ratios of 14/13 and 13/12, which are about 128 ¢ and 139 ¢, respectively; 14/13 in particular can also be analyzed as a semitone. Despite that, it is also here for completeness.
In mos scales
Intervals between 120 and 171 ¢ generate the following mos scales. These tables start from the last monolarge mos generated by the interval range. Scales with more than 12 notes are not included.
| Range | Mos | |
|---|---|---|
| 120–133 ¢ | 1L 8s | 9L 1s |
| 133–150 ¢ | 1L 7s | 8L 1s |
| 150–171 ¢ | 1L 6s | 7L 1s |
| View • Talk • EditInterval classification | |
|---|---|
| Interval regions | |
| Unison and octave | Unison • Comma and diesis • Octave |
| Seconds | Minor second • Neutral second • Major second |
| Thirds | Minor third • Neutral third • Major third |
| Fourths and fifths | Perfect fourth • Superfourth • Tritone • Subfifth • Perfect fifth |
| Sixths | Minor sixth • Neutral sixth • Major sixth |
| Sevenths | Minor seventh • Neutral seventh • Major seventh |
| Interseptimal intervals | Interseptimal 2nd-3rd • Interseptimal 3rd-4th • Interseptimal 5th-6th • Interseptimal 6th-7th |
| Interval qualities | |
| Diatonic qualities | Diminished • Minor • Perfect • Major • Augmented |
| Tuning ranges | Neutral (interval quality) • Submajor and supraminor • Pental major and minor • Novamajor and novaminor • Neogothic major and minor • Supermajor and subminor • Ultramajor and inframinor |