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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Icon =
| Name = Pythagorean whole tone, Pythagorean major second
| Ratio = 9/8
| Monzo = -3 2
| Cents = 203.91000
| Name = whole tone
| Color name = w2, wa 2nd
| Color name = w2, wa 2nd
| FJS name = M2
| Sound = jid_9_8_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_9_8_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Comma = yes
}}
}}
{{Wikipedia|Major second}}


'''9/8''' is the Pythagorean '''whole tone''' or '''major second''', measuring approximately 203.9¢. It can be arrived at by stacking two just perfect fifths ([[3/2]]) and reducing the result by one octave. However, it is also a relatively low overtone in its own right, octave-reduced. It can be treated as a dissonance or a consonance, depending on compositional context.
'''9/8''', the '''Pythagorean whole tone''' or '''major second''', is an interval measuring approximately 203.9¢. It can be arrived at by stacking two just perfect fifths ([[3/2]]) and reducing the result by one octave. However, it is also a relatively low overtone in its own right, octave-reduced. It can be treated as a dissonance or a consonance, depending on compositional context, though because of its relatively close proximity to the [[unison]], it is the largest [[superparticular]] interval known to cause crowding, which lends more to it being considered a type of dissonance- at least in historical Western Classical traditions and in the xenharmonic traditions derived from them.


Two 9/8's stacked produce [[81/64]], the Pythagorean major third, a rather bright major third of approximately 407.8¢. However, a 9/8 plus the minor whole tone [[10/9]] yields [[5/4]]. This distinction, between a major whole tone and minor whole tone, has been completely obliterated in [[12edo]], and so we are unaccustomed to thinking of more than one size of whole tone comprising a major third. Other systems that temper out this difference (which is [[81/80]], the syntonic comma of about 21.5¢), such as [[19edo]], [[26edo]], and [[31edo]], are called [[meantone]] temperaments.
Two 9/8's stacked produce [[81/64]], the Pythagorean major third, a rather bright major third of approximately 407.8¢. However, a 9/8 plus the minor whole tone [[10/9]] yields [[5/4]]. This distinction, between a major whole tone and minor whole tone, has been completely obliterated in [[12edo]], and so we are unaccustomed to thinking of more than one size of whole tone comprising a major third. Other systems that temper out this difference (which is [[81/80]], the syntonic comma of about 21.5¢), such as [[19edo]], [[26edo]], and [[31edo]], are called [[meantone]] temperaments.


9/8 is well-represented in [[6edo]] and its multiples. [[EDO|Edos]] which tune [[3/2]] close to just ([[29edo]], [[41edo]], [[53edo]], to name three) will tune 9/8 close as well.
A stack of six intervals of 9/8 exceeds the octave by the [[Pythagorean comma]].


== Temperament ==
== History ==
When this ratio is taken as a comma to be tempered, it produces [[Temperament orphanage#Nulltone (2 & 4)|nulltone]] temperament. EDOs that temper it out include [[2edo]] and [[4edo]].
The (whole) tone as an interval measure was already known in Ancient Greece. {{w|Aristoxenus}} (fl. 335 BC) defined the tone as the difference between the [[3/2|just fifth (3/2)]] and the [[4/3|just fourth (4/3)]]. From this base size, he derived the size of other intervals as multiples or fractions of the tone, so for instance the just fourth was 2½ tones in size, which implies [[12edo]].
 
== Temperaments ==
In [[meantone]], 9/8 is equated with [[10/9]], so that two instances of 9/8~10/9 stack to ~[[5/4]]. [[Superpyth]] instead sharpens 9/8 to equate it with [[8/7]].
 
Since 9/8 is reached by stacking two instances of [[3/2]], temperaments in subgroups that include 3 cannot be generated by ~9/8. However, it can be a generator in subgroups such as [[2.9.5.7 subgroup|2.9.5.7]], where it generates [[Subgroup temperaments #Baldy|baldy]] for example.
 
== Approximation ==
9/8 is well-represented in [[6edo]] and its multiples, though only multiples of [[12edo]] (up to [[300edo]]) map 9/8 to 1\6 by [[patent val]]. [[Edo]]s which tune [[3/2]] close to just, such as [[29edo]], [[41edo]], and [[53edo]], will tune 9/8 close to just as well.
 
{{Interval edo approximation|9/8}}
 
== Notation ==
In musical notations that employ the [[5L 2s|diatonic]] [[chain-of-fifths notation|chain-of-fifths]], such as the [[ups and downs notation]], the whole tone is represented by the distances between the notes A–B, C–D, D–E, F–G, and G–A.
 
The scale is structured with the following step pattern:
* A to B: [[9/8|whole tone]]
* B to C: [[256/243|limma]]
* C to D: [[9/8|whole tone]]
* D to E: [[9/8|whole tone]]
* E to F: [[256/243|limma]]
* F to G: [[9/8|whole tone]]
* G to A: [[9/8|whole tone]]
This pattern highlights the placement of the whole tone intervals between the note pairs above, distinguishing them from the [[256/243|limma]] that occurs between the other note pairs.


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[16/9]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[16/9]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[4/3]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[4/3]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[32/27]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[Wikipedia: Major second]]


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== External links ==
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* [http://www.tonalsoft.com/monzo/aristoxenus/aristoxenus.aspx The measurement of Aristoxenus's Divisions of the Tetrachord] on [[Tonalsoft Encyclopedia]]
[[Category:Just interval]]
 
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[[Category:Ancient Greek music]]
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[[Category:Commas named after their interval size]]
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