Temperament naming: Difference between revisions

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:* ''sensi'', which became ''sensipent'' and ''sensisept'', and

:* ''negri'', which became ''negripent'' and ''negrisept''.

: This naming system was unpopular,<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10620#10640 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Gene's mail server''] - "Anyway, since these names are so ugly, does ''anyone'' have suggestions for renaming them (Dimipent, Dimisept, Negripent, Negrisept, Sensipent, Sensisept) that preserves their approximate alphabetical location?" —Paul Erlich</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_12957 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''98 named 7-limit temperaments''] - Shows that there was some support for the ''-sept'' prefix from Gene Ward Smith still at this time.</ref> and did not catch on.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104603#104603 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Subgroup temperament naming''] - "The thing we're doing now is analogous to Paul [Erlich]'s having different names for 'negripent' and 'negrisept' and such, which also didn't catch on." —Mike Battaglia</ref> In the case of negri, both ''negripent'' and ''negrisept'' fell out of use, and the modern convention of giving strong extensions the exact same name (distinguishing them as necessary with "septimal", etc.) was adopted instead, so both the 5-limit and 7-limit were called ''negri''. For diminished and sensi, however, these became the names for the 7-limit temperaments, while ''dimipent'' and ''sensipent'' stuck as names for the 5-limit temperaments. ~~Because these~~ originally 5-limit-specific names both also became the names for their entire temperament families~~, we can say that the ''-pent'' suffix in these two cases has lost its original (and indeed all) meaning~~.

: This naming system was unpopular,<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10620#10640 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Gene's mail server''] - "Anyway, since these names are so ugly, does ''anyone'' have suggestions for renaming them (Dimipent, Dimisept, Negripent, Negrisept, Sensipent, Sensisept) that preserves their approximate alphabetical location?" —Paul Erlich</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_12957 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''98 named 7-limit temperaments''] - Shows that there was some support for the ''-sept'' prefix from Gene Ward Smith still at this time.</ref> and did not catch on.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104603#104603 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Subgroup temperament naming''] - "The thing we're doing now is analogous to Paul [Erlich]'s having different names for 'negripent' and 'negrisept' and such, which also didn't catch on." —Mike Battaglia</ref> In the case of negri, both ''negripent'' and ''negrisept'' fell out of use, and the modern convention of giving strong extensions the exact same name (distinguishing them as necessary with "septimal", etc.) was adopted instead, so both the 5-limit and 7-limit were called ''negri''. For diminished and sensi, however, these became the names for the 7-limit temperaments, while ''dimipent'' and ''sensipent'' stuck as names for the 5-limit temperaments due to the temperaments' slightly higher accuracy. These originally 5-limit-specific names both also became the names for their entire temperament families.

: Confusingly, in {{w|Jean-Philippe Rameau}}'s {{w|Treatise on Harmony}} from 1722, he called [[2048/2025]] the ''diminished comma''~~, and so in a way ''diminished temperament'' should already have~~ been ~~considered taken;~~ the modern name for 2048/2025, the diaschisma, which gives its name to the diaschismic temperament, ~~comes~~ from [[Hermann von Helmholtz]] ~~much later,~~ in 1875.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_62661#62683 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Diaschisma article'']</ref> The interval [[648/625]], the modern ''diminished comma'' by virtue of it being the one diminished temperament makes vanish, has been called the ''major diesis'' or ''greater diesis'',<ref>[[Wikipedia: Diesis]]</ref> and so ''major diesic'' was also proposed as a name for this temperament.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_2064#2067 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Kleismic & co'']</ref> This would have gone along with [[128/125]] being the ''(minor/lesser) diesis'' and thus ''minor diesic'' temperament. Despite this not working out this way (due in part to too many things being named using ''diesis''), in the end ''diminished'' and ''augmented'' still came out as an opposing pair.

: Confusingly, in {{w|Jean-Philippe Rameau}}'s {{w|Treatise on Harmony}} from 1722, he called [[2048/2025]] the ''diminished comma''. This has been displaced by the modern name for 2048/2025, the ''diaschisma'', which gives its name to the diaschismic temperament, from [[Hermann von Helmholtz]] in 1875.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_62661#62683 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Diaschisma article'']</ref> The interval [[648/625]], the modern ''diminished comma'' by virtue of it being the one diminished temperament makes vanish, has been called the ''major diesis'' or ''greater diesis'',<ref>[[Wikipedia: Diesis]]</ref> and so ''major diesic'' was also proposed as a name for this temperament.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_2064#2067 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Kleismic & co'']</ref> This would have gone along with [[128/125]] being the ''(minor/lesser) diesis'' and thus ''minor diesic'' temperament. Despite this not working out this way (due in part to too many things being named using ''diesis''), in the end ''diminished'' and ''augmented'' still came out as an opposing pair.

; [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]]

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 :* ''sensi'', which became ''sensipent'' and ''sensisept'', and
 :* ''negri'', which became ''negripent'' and ''negrisept''.
-: This naming system was unpopular,<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10620#10640 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Gene's mail server''] - "Anyway, since these names are so ugly, does ''anyone'' have suggestions for renaming them (Dimipent, Dimisept, Negripent, Negrisept, Sensipent, Sensisept) that preserves their approximate alphabetical location?" —Paul Erlich</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_12957 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''98 named 7-limit temperaments''] - Shows that there was some support for the ''-sept'' prefix from Gene Ward Smith still at this time.</ref> and did not catch on.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104603#104603 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Subgroup temperament naming''] - "The thing we're doing now is analogous to Paul [Erlich]'s having different names for 'negripent' and 'negrisept' and such, which also didn't catch on." —Mike Battaglia</ref> In the case of negri, both ''negripent'' and ''negrisept'' fell out of use, and the modern convention of giving strong extensions the exact same name (distinguishing them as necessary with "septimal", etc.) was adopted instead, so both the 5-limit and 7-limit were called ''negri''. For diminished and sensi, however, these became the names for the 7-limit temperaments, while ''dimipent'' and ''sensipent'' stuck as names for the 5-limit temperaments. Because these originally 5-limit-specific names both also became the names for their entire temperament families, we can say that the ''-pent'' suffix in these two cases has lost its original (and indeed all) meaning.
+: This naming system was unpopular,<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10620#10640 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Gene's mail server''] - "Anyway, since these names are so ugly, does ''anyone'' have suggestions for renaming them (Dimipent, Dimisept, Negripent, Negrisept, Sensipent, Sensisept) that preserves their approximate alphabetical location?" —Paul Erlich</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_12957 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''98 named 7-limit temperaments''] - Shows that there was some support for the ''-sept'' prefix from Gene Ward Smith still at this time.</ref> and did not catch on.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104603#104603 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Subgroup temperament naming''] - "The thing we're doing now is analogous to Paul [Erlich]'s having different names for 'negripent' and 'negrisept' and such, which also didn't catch on." —Mike Battaglia</ref> In the case of negri, both ''negripent'' and ''negrisept'' fell out of use, and the modern convention of giving strong extensions the exact same name (distinguishing them as necessary with "septimal", etc.) was adopted instead, so both the 5-limit and 7-limit were called ''negri''. For diminished and sensi, however, these became the names for the 7-limit temperaments, while ''dimipent'' and ''sensipent'' stuck as names for the 5-limit temperaments due to the temperaments' slightly higher accuracy. These originally 5-limit-specific names both also became the names for their entire temperament families.
-: Confusingly, in {{w|Jean-Philippe Rameau}}'s {{w|Treatise on Harmony}} from 1722, he called [[2048/2025]] the ''diminished comma'', and so in a way ''diminished temperament'' should already have been considered taken; the modern name for 2048/2025, the diaschisma, which gives its name to the diaschismic temperament, comes from [[Hermann von Helmholtz]] much later, in 1875.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_62661#62683 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Diaschisma article'']</ref> The interval [[648/625]], the modern ''diminished comma'' by virtue of it being the one diminished temperament makes vanish, has been called the ''major diesis'' or ''greater diesis'',<ref>[[Wikipedia: Diesis]]</ref> and so ''major diesic'' was also proposed as a name for this temperament.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_2064#2067 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Kleismic & co'']</ref> This would have gone along with [[128/125]] being the ''(minor/lesser) diesis'' and thus ''minor diesic'' temperament. Despite this not working out this way (due in part to too many things being named using ''diesis''), in the end ''diminished'' and ''augmented'' still came out as an opposing pair.
+: Confusingly, in {{w|Jean-Philippe Rameau}}'s {{w|Treatise on Harmony}} from 1722, he called [[2048/2025]] the ''diminished comma''. This has been displaced by the modern name for 2048/2025, the ''diaschisma'', which gives its name to the diaschismic temperament, from [[Hermann von Helmholtz]] in 1875.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_62661#62683 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Diaschisma article'']</ref> The interval [[648/625]], the modern ''diminished comma'' by virtue of it being the one diminished temperament makes vanish, has been called the ''major diesis'' or ''greater diesis'',<ref>[[Wikipedia: Diesis]]</ref> and so ''major diesic'' was also proposed as a name for this temperament.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_2064#2067 Yahoo! Tuning Groups | ''Kleismic & co'']</ref> This would have gone along with [[128/125]] being the ''(minor/lesser) diesis'' and thus ''minor diesic'' temperament. Despite this not working out this way (due in part to too many things being named using ''diesis''), in the end ''diminished'' and ''augmented'' still came out as an opposing pair.
 ; [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]]