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A '''major third (M3)''' in the [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]] is an interval that spans two scale steps with the major (wider) quality. It is generated by stacking 4 fifths [[octave reduction|octave reduced]], and depending on the specific tuning, it ranges from 343 to 480 | A '''major third (M3)''' in the [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]] is an interval that spans two scale steps with the major (wider) quality. It is generated by stacking 4 fifths [[octave reduction|octave reduced]], and depending on the specific tuning, it ranges from 343 to 480{{cent}} ([[7edo|2\7]] to [[5edo|2\5]]). | ||
In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a major third if it is reasonably mapped to 2\7 and [[24edo|8\24]] (precisely two steps of the diatonic scale and four steps of the chromatic scale). The use of 24edo's 8\24 as the mapping criteria here rather than [[12edo]]'s 4\12 better captures the characteristics of many intervals in the [[11-limit|11-]] and [[13-limit]]. | In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a major third if it is reasonably mapped to 2\7 and [[24edo|8\24]] (precisely two steps of the diatonic scale and four steps of the chromatic scale). The use of 24edo's 8\24 as the mapping criteria here rather than [[12edo]]'s 4\12 better captures the characteristics of many intervals in the [[11-limit|11-]] and [[13-limit]]. | ||
As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 400 | As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 400{{c}} in size, distinct from the [[minor third]] of roughly 300{{c}} and the [[neutral third]] of roughly 350{{c}}. A rough tuning range for the major third is about 370 to 440{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions. ''Major third'' in this sense refers both to the ~350–450{{c}} range as a whole, and to a specific subdivision within it (~370–415{{c}}) as opposed to supermajor thirds; major thirds sharp of this are often called "supermajor thirds". | ||
This article covers intervals between 360 and 460 | This article covers intervals between 360 and 460{{c}}. The outer range of this might be too extreme to call "major thirds", but this is done so that one can find what they're looking for easily. | ||
== In just intonation == | == In just intonation == | ||
=== By prime limit === | === By prime limit === | ||
3-limit intervals in the range of major thirds include the '''Pythagorean major third''' of [[81/64]], | 3-limit intervals in the range of major thirds include the '''Pythagorean major third''' of [[81/64]], 407.8{{c}} in size, which corresponds to the mos-based interval category of the diatonic major third and is generated by [[stacking]] four just perfect fifths of [[3/2]], and the '''Pythagorean diminished fourth''' of [[8192/6561]], which is flat of 81/64 by one Pythagorean comma, and is about 384{{c}} in size. | ||
Much [[odd limit|simpler]] major thirds exist in higher [[prime limit|limits]], however, for example: | Much [[odd limit|simpler]] major thirds exist in higher [[prime limit|limits]], however, for example: | ||
* The 5-limit '''classical major third''' is a ratio of [[5/4]], and is about 386 | * The 5-limit '''classical major third''' is a ratio of [[5/4]], and is about 386{{c}}. | ||
* The 7-limit '''supermajor third''' is a ratio of [[9/7]], and is about 435 | * The 7-limit '''(septimal) supermajor third''' is a ratio of [[9/7]], and is about 435{{c}}. | ||
* The 11-limit '''neogothic major third''' is a ratio of [[14/11]], and is about 418 | * The 11-limit '''neogothic major third''' is a ratio of [[14/11]], and is about 418{{c}}. | ||
* The 13-limit '''ultramajor third''' is a ratio of [[13/10]], and is about 454 | * The 13-limit '''(tridecimal) ultramajor third''' is a ratio of [[13/10]], and is about 454{{c}}. | ||
** There is also a 13-limit '''submajor third''', which is a ratio of [[26/21]], and is about 370 | ** There is also a 13-limit '''(tridecimal) submajor third''', which is a ratio of [[26/21]], and is about 370{{c}}. | ||
* The 17-limit '''submajor third''' is a ratio of [[21/17]], and is about 366 | * The 17-limit '''(septendecimal) submajor third''' is a ratio of [[21/17]], and is about 366{{c}}. | ||
=== By delta === | === By delta === | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Delta 1 | |||
! Cents | |||
! Delta 2 | |||
! Cents | |||
! Delta 3 | |||
! Cents | |||
! Delta 4 | |||
! Cents | |||
! Delta 5 | |||
! Cents | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 5/4 | ||
| | | 386{{c}} | ||
| | | 9/7 | ||
| | | 435{{c}} | ||
| | | 13/10 | ||
| | | 454{{c}} | ||
| | | 19/15 | ||
| | | 409{{c}} | ||
| | | 22/17 | ||
| | | 446{{c}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 14/11 | ||
| | | 418{{c}} | ||
| | | 21/17 | ||
| | | 366{{c}} | ||
| | | 23/18 | ||
| | | 424{{c}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
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| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
|26/21 | | 24/19 | ||
| | | 404{{c}} | ||
|- | |||
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| 26/21 | |||
| 370{{c}} | |||
|} | |} | ||
== In edos == | == In edos == | ||
The following table lists the best tuning of 5/4 and 9/7, as well as other major thirds if present, in various significant [[edos]]. | The following table lists the best tuning of 5/4 and 9/7, as well as other major thirds if present, in various significant [[edos]]. | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! EDO | |||
! 5/4 | |||
! 9/7 | |||
! Other major thirds | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 12 | ||
| | | colspan="2" | 400{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 15 | ||
| | | 400{{c}} | ||
| | | * | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 16 | ||
| | | 375{{c}} | ||
| | | 450{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 17 | ||
| | | ** | ||
| | | 424{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 19 | ||
| | | 379{{c}} | ||
| | | 442{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 22 | ||
| | | 382{{c}} | ||
| | | 436{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 24 | ||
| | | 400{{c}} | ||
| | | 450{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 25 | ||
| | | 384{{c}} | ||
| | | 432{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 26 | ||
| | | 369{{c}} | ||
| | | 415{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 27 | ||
| | | 400{{c}} | ||
| | | 444{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 29 | ||
| | | 372{{c}} | ||
| | | 455{{c}} | ||
| | | 414{{c}} '''≈''' 81/64, 14/11 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 31 | ||
| | | 388{{c}} | ||
| | | 426{{c}} | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 34 | ||
| | | 388{{c}} | ||
| | | 424{{c}} | ||
| | | 459{{c}} '''≈''' 13/10 | ||
|- | |- | ||
|53 | | 41 | ||
| | | 381{{c}} | ||
| | | 439{{c}} | ||
| | | 410{{c}} '''≈''' 81/64 | ||
|- | |||
| 53 | |||
| 385{{c}} | |||
| 430{{c}} | |||
| 362{{c}} '''≈''' 21/17, 408{{c}} '''≈''' 81/64, 452{{c}} '''≈''' 13/10 | |||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>* | <nowiki />* These edos have an approximation to 9/7, but it's sharper than 460{{c}}, not really a major third. | ||
<nowiki>** | <nowiki />** These edos have an approximation to 5/4, but it's flatter than 360{{c}}, not really a major third. | ||
== In regular temperaments == | == In regular temperaments == | ||
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=== Temperaments that use 5/4 as a generator === | === Temperaments that use 5/4 as a generator === | ||
* [[Magic]], which generates 3/2 by stacking five 5/4s (octave-reduced). | * [[Magic]], which generates 3/2 by stacking five 5/4s (octave-reduced). | ||
* [[Augmented (temperament)|Augmented]], which splits the octave into three equal parts, each representing [[5/4]]. | * [[Augmented (temperament)|Augmented]], which splits the octave into three equal parts, each representing [[5/4]]. | ||
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=== Temperaments that use 9/7 as a generator === | === Temperaments that use 9/7 as a generator === | ||
* [[Sensi]], generated by sharp major thirds representing [[9/7]] and [[13/10]], such that a stack of two gives a major sixth approximating [[5/3]]. | |||
* [[Sensi]], | * [[Squares]], generated by sharp major thirds representing [[9/7]] and [[14/11]]. | ||
{{Navbox intervals}} | {{Navbox intervals}} | ||