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'''Kleismic''' is a [[rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[regular temperament|temperament]] of the [[kleismic family]], characterized by the vanishing of the kleisma ([[15625/15552]]). In the [[5-limit]], it is also known as '''hanson'''. It is [[generator|generated]] by a [[6/5|classical minor third (6/5)]], six of which make a [[3/1|twelfth (3/1)]]. | |||
However, another useful interpretation of the kleisma as a comma is that it makes the classical chromatic semitone, [[25/24]], into a third-tone by equating three of this interval to [[9/8]]. As 9/8 = (25/24)×(26/25)×(27/26), it would be illogical not to equate 25/24 to [[26/25]] and [[27/26]] as well, thereby tempering the marveltwin comma (S25 × S26 = [[325/324]]), and the tunbarsma (S25 = [[625/624]]), resulting in a low-complexity but high-accuracy [[extension]] to the 2.3.5.13 [[subgroup]], sometimes known as '''cata'''. As the chain of generators naturally gives us hemitwelfths at only 3 generator steps, this also corresponds directly to an interpretation of these as [[26/15]] (and thus hemifourths as [[15/13]]) by tempering S26 = [[676/675]]. | |||
Extensions to prime 7 include [[catakleismic]], [[countercata]], [[metakleismic]], [[keemun]], and [[catalan]]. Of these, catakleismic can be considered canonical, as it makes a natural further equivalence of 25/24~26/25~27/26 to [[28/27]] and can be defined in the [[7-limit]] by tempering [[225/224]] and [[4375/4374]]. | |||
For technical data, see [[Kleismic family #Hanson]]. | |||
== Interval chain == | |||
In the following table, odd harmonics 1–15 are labeled in '''bold'''. | |||
{| class="wikitable sortable center-1 right-2" | |||
! # | |||
! Cents* | |||
! class="unsortable" | Approximate Ratios | |||
|- | |||
| 0 | |||
| 0.0 | |||
| '''1/1''' | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 317.1 | |||
| 6/5 | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 634.2 | |||
| 13/9 | |||
|- | |||
| 3 | |||
| 950.3 | |||
| 26/15 | |||
|- | |||
| 4 | |||
| 68.4 | |||
| 25/24, 26/25, 27/26 | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 385.6 | |||
| '''5/4''' | |||
|- | |||
| 6 | |||
| 702.7 | |||
| '''3/2''' | |||
|- | |||
| 7 | |||
| 1019.8 | |||
| 9/5 | |||
|- | |||
| 8 | |||
| 136.9 | |||
| 13/12, 27/25 | |||
|- | |||
| 9 | |||
| 454.0 | |||
| 13/10 | |||
|- | |||
| 10 | |||
| 771.1 | |||
| 25/16 | |||
|- | |||
| 11 | |||
| 1088.2 | |||
| '''15/8''' | |||
|- | |||
| 12 | |||
| 205.3 | |||
| '''9/8''' | |||
|- | |||
| 13 | |||
| 522.4 | |||
| 27/20 | |||
|- | |||
| 14 | |||
| 839.6 | |||
| '''13/8''' | |||
|- | |||
| 15 | |||
| 1156.7 | |||
| 39/20 | |||
|- | |||
| 16 | |||
| 273.8 | |||
| 75/64 | |||
|- | |||
| 17 | |||
| 590.9 | |||
| 45/32 | |||
|- | |||
| 18 | |||
| 908.0 | |||
| 27/16 | |||
|- | |||
| 19 | |||
| 25.1 | |||
| 65/64, 81/80 | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki>*</nowiki> in 2.3.5.13-subgroup [[CTE tuning]] | |||
== Tunings == | |||
=== Optimized tunings === | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Prime-Optimized Tunings | |||
|- | |||
! Weight-skew\Order !! Euclidean | |||
|- | |||
| Tenney || (2.3.5) CTE: ~6/5 = 317.0308¢ | |||
|- | |||
| Tenney || (2.3.5) POTE: ~6/5 = 317.007¢ | |||
|- | |||
| Tenney || (2.3.5.13) CTE: ~6/5 = 317.1110¢ | |||
|- | |||
| Tenney || (2.3.5.13) POTE: ~6/5 = 317.0756¢ | |||
|} | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | [[Delta-rational chord|DR]] and equal-beating tunings | |||
|- | |||
! Optimized chord !! Generator value !! Polynomial !! Further notes | |||
|- | |||
| 3:4:5 (+1 +1) || ~6/5 = 317.1496 || ''g''<sup>6</sup> + 2''g''<sup>5</sup> - 8 = 0 || 1-3-5 equal-beating tuning, close to 8/43-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| 4:5:6 (+1 +1) || ~6/5 = 317.9593 || ''g''<sup>6</sup> - 2''g''<sup>5</sup> + 2 = 0 || 1-3-5 equal-beating tuning, close to 2/7-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| 10:12:15 (+2 +3) || ~6/5 = 317.6675 || ''g''<sup>6</sup> - 5''g'' + 3 = 0 || Close to 1/4-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| 9:13:15 (+2 +1) || ~6/5 = 317.5679 || 3''g''<sup>3</sup> + 4''g'' - 10 = 0 || Close to 13/36-marveltwin comma | |||
|- | |||
| 13:15:18 (+2 +3) || ~6/5 = 317.0010 || 3''g''<sup>3</sup> - ''g'' - 4 = 0 || Close to 13/51-marveltwin comma | |||
|} | |||
=== Tuning spectrum === | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-4" | |||
! Edo<br>Generator | |||
! [[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzo<br>(Unchanged-interval)]]* | |||
! Generator (¢) | |||
! Comments | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[6/5]] | |||
| 315.6413 | |||
| Untempered tuning, lower bound of 5-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[19edo|5\19]]''' | |||
| | |||
| '''315.7895''' | |||
| '''Lower bound of 2.3.5.13-subgroup 15-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[27/26]] | |||
| 316.3343 | |||
| 1/4-[[625/624|tunbarsma]] | |||
|- | |||
| [[110edo|29\110]] | |||
| | |||
| 316.3636 | |||
| 110ff val | |||
|- | |||
| [[91edo|24\91]] | |||
| | |||
| 316.4835 | |||
| 91f val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[27/25]] | |||
| 316.6547 | |||
| 1/8-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| [[72edo|19\72]] | |||
| | |||
| 316.6667 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[9/5]] | |||
| 316.7995 | |||
| 1/7-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| [[125edo|33\125]] | |||
| | |||
| 316.8000 | |||
| 125f val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[26/25]] | |||
| 316.9750 | |||
| 1/4-[[325/324|marveltwin comma]] | |||
|- | |||
| [[53edo|14\53]] | |||
| | |||
| 316.9811 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[3/2]] | |||
| 316.9925 | |||
| 1/6-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[75/52]] | |||
| 317.0274 | |||
| 1/2-tunbarsma | |||
|- | |||
| [[193edo|51\193]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.0984 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[15/8]] | |||
| 317.1153 | |||
| 2/11-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| [[333edo|88\333]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.1171 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[13/10]] | |||
| 317.1349 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| [[140edo|37\140]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.1429 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[13/8]] | |||
| 317.1805 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| [[227edo|60\227]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.1807 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| [[87edo|23\87]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.2414 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[5/4]] | |||
| 317.2627 | |||
| 1/5-kleisma, upper bound of 5-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[13/12]] | |||
| 317.3216 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| [[121edo|32\121]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.3554 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| [[155edo|41\155]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.4194 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[15/13]] | |||
| 317.4197 | |||
| 1/3-marveltwin comma | |||
|- | |||
| [[34edo|9\34]] | |||
| | |||
| 317.6471 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[25/24]] | |||
| 317.6681 | |||
| 1/4-kleisma, virtually [[Delta-rational chord|DR]] 10:12:15 | |||
|- | |||
| [[83edo|22\83]] | |||
| | |||
| 318.0723 | |||
| 83f val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[13/9]] | |||
| 318.3088 | |||
| 1/2-marveltwin comma, upper bound of 2.3.5.13-subgroup 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[125/72]] | |||
| 318.3437 | |||
| 1/3-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| [[49edo|13\49]] | |||
| | |||
| 318.3673 | |||
| 49f val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[125/104]] | |||
| 318.4135 | |||
| Full tunbarsma | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[625/432]] | |||
| 319.6949 | |||
| 1/2-kleisma | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[15edo|4\15]]''' | |||
| | |||
| '''320.0000''' | |||
| '''Upper bound of 2.3.5.13-subgroup 15-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[65/54]] | |||
| 320.9764 | |||
| Full marveltwin comma | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki>*</nowiki> besides the octave | |||
=== Other tunings === | |||
* [[DKW theory|DKW]] (2.3.5): ~2 = 1\1, ~6/5 = 317.1983 | |||
== Scales == | |||
* [[Cata7]] | |||
* [[Cata11]] | |||
* [[Cata15]] | |||
* [[Cata19]] | |||
== Music == | |||
; [[Petr Pařízek]] | |||
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20201127013042/http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Parizek/Hanson%20%20Improv.mp3 ''Hanson Improv''] | |||
; [[Chris Vaisvil]] | |||
* [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/Hanson/daily20110127-in-hanson11.mp3 ''In Hanson11''] | |||
== External links == | |||
* [http://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm ''11 note chain-of-minor-thirds scale''], by [[David Keenan]] | |||
[[Category:Temperaments]] | |||
[[Category:Hanson]] <!-- main article --> | |||
[[Category:Cata| ]] <!-- main article --> | |||
[[Category:Kleismic| ]] <!-- main article --> | |||
[[Category:Kleismic family]] | |||
Revision as of 14:03, 20 September 2024
- "Hanson and cata" redirects here. For the rank-2 temperament family, see Kleismic family.
- "Hanson and cata" redirects here. For the rank-3 temperament family, see Kleismic rank three family.
Kleismic is a rank-2 temperament of the kleismic family, characterized by the vanishing of the kleisma (15625/15552). In the 5-limit, it is also known as hanson. It is generated by a classical minor third (6/5), six of which make a twelfth (3/1).
However, another useful interpretation of the kleisma as a comma is that it makes the classical chromatic semitone, 25/24, into a third-tone by equating three of this interval to 9/8. As 9/8 = (25/24)×(26/25)×(27/26), it would be illogical not to equate 25/24 to 26/25 and 27/26 as well, thereby tempering the marveltwin comma (S25 × S26 = 325/324), and the tunbarsma (S25 = 625/624), resulting in a low-complexity but high-accuracy extension to the 2.3.5.13 subgroup, sometimes known as cata. As the chain of generators naturally gives us hemitwelfths at only 3 generator steps, this also corresponds directly to an interpretation of these as 26/15 (and thus hemifourths as 15/13) by tempering S26 = 676/675.
Extensions to prime 7 include catakleismic, countercata, metakleismic, keemun, and catalan. Of these, catakleismic can be considered canonical, as it makes a natural further equivalence of 25/24~26/25~27/26 to 28/27 and can be defined in the 7-limit by tempering 225/224 and 4375/4374.
For technical data, see Kleismic family #Hanson.
Interval chain
In the following table, odd harmonics 1–15 are labeled in bold.
| # | Cents* | Approximate Ratios |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0.0 | 1/1 |
| 1 | 317.1 | 6/5 |
| 2 | 634.2 | 13/9 |
| 3 | 950.3 | 26/15 |
| 4 | 68.4 | 25/24, 26/25, 27/26 |
| 5 | 385.6 | 5/4 |
| 6 | 702.7 | 3/2 |
| 7 | 1019.8 | 9/5 |
| 8 | 136.9 | 13/12, 27/25 |
| 9 | 454.0 | 13/10 |
| 10 | 771.1 | 25/16 |
| 11 | 1088.2 | 15/8 |
| 12 | 205.3 | 9/8 |
| 13 | 522.4 | 27/20 |
| 14 | 839.6 | 13/8 |
| 15 | 1156.7 | 39/20 |
| 16 | 273.8 | 75/64 |
| 17 | 590.9 | 45/32 |
| 18 | 908.0 | 27/16 |
| 19 | 25.1 | 65/64, 81/80 |
* in 2.3.5.13-subgroup CTE tuning
Tunings
Optimized tunings
| Weight-skew\Order | Euclidean |
|---|---|
| Tenney | (2.3.5) CTE: ~6/5 = 317.0308¢ |
| Tenney | (2.3.5) POTE: ~6/5 = 317.007¢ |
| Tenney | (2.3.5.13) CTE: ~6/5 = 317.1110¢ |
| Tenney | (2.3.5.13) POTE: ~6/5 = 317.0756¢ |
| Optimized chord | Generator value | Polynomial | Further notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| 3:4:5 (+1 +1) | ~6/5 = 317.1496 | g6 + 2g5 - 8 = 0 | 1-3-5 equal-beating tuning, close to 8/43-kleisma |
| 4:5:6 (+1 +1) | ~6/5 = 317.9593 | g6 - 2g5 + 2 = 0 | 1-3-5 equal-beating tuning, close to 2/7-kleisma |
| 10:12:15 (+2 +3) | ~6/5 = 317.6675 | g6 - 5g + 3 = 0 | Close to 1/4-kleisma |
| 9:13:15 (+2 +1) | ~6/5 = 317.5679 | 3g3 + 4g - 10 = 0 | Close to 13/36-marveltwin comma |
| 13:15:18 (+2 +3) | ~6/5 = 317.0010 | 3g3 - g - 4 = 0 | Close to 13/51-marveltwin comma |
Tuning spectrum
| Edo Generator |
Eigenmonzo (Unchanged-interval)* |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 6/5 | 315.6413 | Untempered tuning, lower bound of 5-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |
| 5\19 | 315.7895 | Lower bound of 2.3.5.13-subgroup 15-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 27/26 | 316.3343 | 1/4-tunbarsma | |
| 29\110 | 316.3636 | 110ff val | |
| 24\91 | 316.4835 | 91f val | |
| 27/25 | 316.6547 | 1/8-kleisma | |
| 19\72 | 316.6667 | ||
| 9/5 | 316.7995 | 1/7-kleisma | |
| 33\125 | 316.8000 | 125f val | |
| 26/25 | 316.9750 | 1/4-marveltwin comma | |
| 14\53 | 316.9811 | ||
| 3/2 | 316.9925 | 1/6-kleisma | |
| 75/52 | 317.0274 | 1/2-tunbarsma | |
| 51\193 | 317.0984 | ||
| 15/8 | 317.1153 | 2/11-kleisma | |
| 88\333 | 317.1171 | ||
| 13/10 | 317.1349 | ||
| 37\140 | 317.1429 | ||
| 13/8 | 317.1805 | ||
| 60\227 | 317.1807 | ||
| 23\87 | 317.2414 | ||
| 5/4 | 317.2627 | 1/5-kleisma, upper bound of 5-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |
| 13/12 | 317.3216 | ||
| 32\121 | 317.3554 | ||
| 41\155 | 317.4194 | ||
| 15/13 | 317.4197 | 1/3-marveltwin comma | |
| 9\34 | 317.6471 | ||
| 25/24 | 317.6681 | 1/4-kleisma, virtually DR 10:12:15 | |
| 22\83 | 318.0723 | 83f val | |
| 13/9 | 318.3088 | 1/2-marveltwin comma, upper bound of 2.3.5.13-subgroup 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |
| 125/72 | 318.3437 | 1/3-kleisma | |
| 13\49 | 318.3673 | 49f val | |
| 125/104 | 318.4135 | Full tunbarsma | |
| 625/432 | 319.6949 | 1/2-kleisma | |
| 4\15 | 320.0000 | Upper bound of 2.3.5.13-subgroup 15-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 65/54 | 320.9764 | Full marveltwin comma |
* besides the octave
Other tunings
- DKW (2.3.5): ~2 = 1\1, ~6/5 = 317.1983