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The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank-1 temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank-2 microtemperament tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}. This temperament, '''gammic''', takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = {{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo | The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank-1 temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank-2 microtemperament tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}. This temperament, '''gammic''', takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = {{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo]], [[Schismatic family|schismatic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismatic, with a wedgie of {{multival| 1 -8 -15 }} is plainly much less complex than gammic with wedgie {{multival| 20 11 -29 }}, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. The 34-note mos is interesting, being a 1L 33s refinement of the [[34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of Carlos Gamma if used for it. | ||
Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list, giving a wedgie of {{multival|20 11 96 -29 96 192}}. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note | Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list, giving a wedgie of {{multival| 20 11 96 -29 96 192 }}. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note mos is possible. | ||
== Gammic == | == Gammic == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
[[Comma]]: {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }} | [[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }} | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 20 11 }} | |||
[[POTE | : mapping generators: ~2, ~1990656/1953125 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~1990656/1953125 = 35.0964 | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }} | ||
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== Septimal gammic == | == Septimal gammic == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 6591796875/6576668672 | [[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 6591796875/6576668672 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 0 | 0 20 11 96 }} | |||
[[POTE | [[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~234375/229376 = 35.0904 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 171, 205, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 171, 205, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915 }} | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 4375/4356, 100352/99825 | Comma list: 243/242, 4375/4356, 100352/99825 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 | 0 20 11 96 50 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 35.089 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 625/624, 2200/2197 | Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 625/624, 2200/2197 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 35.091 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 375/374, 595/594, 2200/2197 | Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 375/374, 595/594, 2200/2197 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 96 50 24 3 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 35.090 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 137d, 171 }} | ||
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== Gammy == | == Gammy == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 94143178827/91913281250 | [[Comma list]]: 225/224, 94143178827/91913281250 | ||
[[Mapping]]: | [[Mapping]]: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 | 0 20 11 62 }} | ||
{{Multival|legend=1|20 11 62 -29 42 113}} | {{Multival|legend=1|20 11 62 -29 42 113}} | ||
[[POTE | [[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~1990656/1953125 = 34.984 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69d, 103, 240, 343b }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69d, 103, 240, 343b }} | ||
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 215622/214375 | Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 215622/214375 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 | 0 20 11 62 50 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 34.985 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }} | ||
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 1188/1183 | Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 1188/1183 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 34.988 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 240, 343be }} | ||
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 375/374, 1188/1183 | Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 375/374, 1188/1183 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 2 3 4 | 0 20 11 62 50 24 3 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~45/44 = 34.997 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 137, 240 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 34d, 69de, 103, 137, 240 }} | ||
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== Neptune == | == Neptune == | ||
A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&171 temperament. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of septimal consonances. [[171edo | A more interesting extension is to neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&171 temperament. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of septimal consonances. [[171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]]. | ||
Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4. This may be described as {{multival|40 22 21 -3 …}} or 68&103, and 171 can still be used as a tuning, with [[val]] {{val| 171 271 397 480 591 }}. | Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4. This may be described as {{multival| 40 22 21 -3 … }} or 68 & 103, and 171 can still be used as a tuning, with [[val]] {{val| 171 271 397 480 591 }}. | ||
[[Gene Ward Smith]] once described [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_6001.html neptune as an analog of miracle]. | [[Gene Ward Smith]] once described [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_6001.html neptune as an analog of miracle]. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072 | [[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 21 13 13 | 0 -40 -22 -21 }} | |||
: mapping generators: 2, ~7/5 | |||
{{Multival|legend=1| 40 22 21 -58 -79 -13 }} | {{Multival|legend=1| 40 22 21 -58 -79 -13 }} | ||
[[POTE | [[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.452 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778 }} | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 78408/78125 | Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 78408/78125 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 2 | 0 -40 -22 -21 3 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.475 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }} | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 625/624, 1188/1183, 1375/1372 | Comma list: 385/384, 625/624, 1188/1183, 1375/1372 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 2 27 | 0 -40 -22 -21 3 -48 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.480 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e }} | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 561/560, 625/624, 715/714, 1188/1183 | Comma list: 385/384, 561/560, 625/624, 715/714, 1188/1183 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 2 27 7 | 0 -40 -22 -21 3 -48 -6 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.475 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 35f, 68, 103, 171e, 274e, 445ee }} | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 9765625/9732096 | Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 9765625/9732096 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 52 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -100 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.478 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 719be, 993bcde, 1267bbcde }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 719be, 993bcde, 1267bbcde }} | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 52 27 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -100 -48 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.477 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 719be, 993bcde }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 719be, 993bcde }} | ||
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Comma list: 243/242, 375/374, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | Comma list: 243/242, 375/374, 441/440, 625/624, 2200/2197 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 21 13 13 52 27 7 | 0 -40 -22 -21 -100 -48 -6 }} | ||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/5 = 582.475 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 445e, 719be, 1164bcdeef }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68e, 103, 171, 274, 445e, 719be, 1164bcdeef }} | ||
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Comma list: 2401/2400, 9801/9800, 9453125/9437184 | Comma list: 2401/2400, 9801/9800, 9453125/9437184 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 4 5 8 | 0 40 22 21 -37 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~99/70, ~99/98 | |||
POTE | Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~99/98 = 17.545 | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68, 206b, 274, 342 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 68, 206b, 274, 342 }} | ||
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[[Category:Temperament families]] | [[Category:Temperament families]] | ||
[[Category:Gammic family| ]] <!-- main article --> | [[Category:Gammic family| ]] <!-- main article --> | ||
[[Category:Gammic| ]] <!-- key article --> | |||
[[Category:Rank 2]] | [[Category:Rank 2]] |