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{{About|the [[interval region]]|the just perfect fifth|3/2}}
{{About|the [[interval region]]|the just perfect fifth|3/2}}
A '''perfect fifth (P5)''' is an interval that is near 700 [[cent]]s in size, distinct from diminished fifths (a type of [[tritone]], about 600 cents). A rough tuning range for the perfect fifth is about 650 to 750 [[cents]], though this is extremely wide; some might prefer to restrict it to around 670-730 cents. Another common range is the even stricter [[diatonic range]], from ~686 to 720 cents, which corresponds to [[diatonic perfect fifth]]s that can be used to generate a [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]].
A '''perfect fifth (P5)''' is an interval that spans four steps of the [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale with a perfect quality, i.e. the quality that exists in all but one modes. Depending on the specific tuning, it ranges from 686 to 720 [[cent]]s ([[7edo|4\7]] to [[5edo|3\5]]).
 
In [[just intonation]], the just perfect fifth is [[3/2]]. Other intervals are also classified as perfect fifths, sometimes called '''wolf fifths''' or '''imperfect fifths''', if they are reasonably mapped to 4\7 and [[24edo|14\24]] (precisely four steps of the diatonic scale and seven steps of the chromatic scale). The use of 24edo's 14\24 as the mapping criteria here rather than [[12edo]]'s 7\12 better captures the characteristics of many intervals in the [[11-limit|11-]] and [[13-limit]].
 
As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 700 [[cent]]s in size, distinct from semidiminished fifths of rougly 650 cents. A rough tuning range for the perfect fifth is about 670 to 730 [[cents]] according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions. Another common range is the stricter range from 686 to 720 cents, which generates a diatonic scale.


== In just intonation ==
== In just intonation ==
The only "perfect" fourth in JI is the '''Pythagorean perfect fifth''' of [[3/2]], about 702 cents in size, which corresponds to the MOS-based interval category of the diatonic perfect fifth, and is the generator for Pythagorean tuning and the diatonic scale. However, various "out of tune" fifths exist, such as the '''Pythagorean wolf fifth [[262144/177147]]''', which is flat of 3/2 by one [[Pythagorean comma]], and is about 678 cents in size.
The only "perfect" fourth in JI is the '''Pythagorean perfect fifth''' of [[3/2]], about 702 cents in size, which corresponds to the mos-based interval category of the diatonic perfect fifth, and is the generator for Pythagorean tuning and the diatonic scale. However, various "out of tune" fifths exist, such as the '''Pythagorean wolf fifth [[262144/177147]]''', which is flat of 3/2 by one [[Pythagorean comma]], and is about 678 cents in size.


Other "out of tune" fifths in higher [[Prime limit|limits]] include:
Other "out of tune" fifths in higher [[prime limit|limits]] include:
*The 5-limit '''grave fifth''' is a ratio of 40/27, and is about 680 cents
* The 5-limit '''grave fifth''' is a ratio of 40/27, and is about 680 cents
*The 7-limit '''superfifth''' is a ratio of 32/21, and is about 729 cents.
* The 7-limit '''superfifth''' is a ratio of 32/21, and is about 729 cents.
*The 11-limit '''diminished fifth''' is a ratio of 22/15, and is about 663 cents.
* The 11-limit '''diminished fifth''' is a ratio of 22/15, and is about 663 cents.
**There is also an 11-limit '''acute fifth,''' which is a ratio of 50/33, and is about 720 cents.
** There is also an 11-limit '''acute fifth,''' which is a ratio of 50/33, and is about 720 cents.
*The 13-limit '''ultrafifth''' is a ratio of 20/13, and is about 746 cents, but it might be better analyzed as an [[Minor sixth|inframinor sixth]]. Despite that, it is also here for completeness.
* The 13-limit '''ultrafifth''' is a ratio of 20/13, and is about 746 cents, but it might be better analyzed as an [[minor sixth|inframinor sixth]]. Despite that, it is also here for completeness.


== In EDOs ==
== In edos ==
The following table lists the best tuning of 3/2, as well as other fifths if present, in various significant [[EDOs]].
The following table lists the best tuning of 3/2, as well as other fifths if present, in various significant [[edos]].
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The simplest perfect 5th ratio is 3/2. The following notable temperaments are generated by it:
The simplest perfect 5th ratio is 3/2. The following notable temperaments are generated by it:


===Temperaments that use 3/2 as a generator===
=== Temperaments that use 3/2 as a generator ===
 
* [[Meantone]], the temperament flattening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to [[5/4]]
*[[Meantone]], the temperament flattening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to [[5/4]]
* [[Schismatic]], the temperament slightly sharpening 3/2 such that nine 3/2s stack to [[6/5]]
*[[Schismatic]], the temperament slightly sharpening 3/2 such that nine 3/2s stack to [[6/5]]
* [[Superpyth]], the temperament sharpening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to [[9/7]]
*[[Superpyth]], the temperament sharpening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to [[9/7]]
* [[Compton]], the temperament of the Pythagorean comma, equivalent to 12edo
*[[Compton]], the temperament of the Pythagorean comma, equivalent to 12edo
* [[Mavila]], the temperament flattening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to [[6/5]]
*[[Mavila]], the temperament flattening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to [[6/5]]
* Various historical [[well temperament]]s generated by tempered 4/3s or 3/2s, equivalent to 12edo as compton and meantone
*Various historical [[Well temperament|well temperaments]] generated by tempered 4/3s or 3/2s, equivalent to 12edo as compton and meantone


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Revision as of 14:22, 26 February 2025

This page is about the interval region. For the just perfect fifth, see 3/2.

A perfect fifth (P5) is an interval that spans four steps of the diatonic scale with a perfect quality, i.e. the quality that exists in all but one modes. Depending on the specific tuning, it ranges from 686 to 720 cents (4\7 to 3\5).

In just intonation, the just perfect fifth is 3/2. Other intervals are also classified as perfect fifths, sometimes called wolf fifths or imperfect fifths, if they are reasonably mapped to 4\7 and 14\24 (precisely four steps of the diatonic scale and seven steps of the chromatic scale). The use of 24edo's 14\24 as the mapping criteria here rather than 12edo's 7\12 better captures the characteristics of many intervals in the 11- and 13-limit.

As a concrete interval region, it is typically near 700 cents in size, distinct from semidiminished fifths of rougly 650 cents. A rough tuning range for the perfect fifth is about 670 to 730 cents according to Margo Schulter's theory of interval regions. Another common range is the stricter range from 686 to 720 cents, which generates a diatonic scale.

In just intonation

The only "perfect" fourth in JI is the Pythagorean perfect fifth of 3/2, about 702 cents in size, which corresponds to the mos-based interval category of the diatonic perfect fifth, and is the generator for Pythagorean tuning and the diatonic scale. However, various "out of tune" fifths exist, such as the Pythagorean wolf fifth 262144/177147, which is flat of 3/2 by one Pythagorean comma, and is about 678 cents in size.

Other "out of tune" fifths in higher limits include:

  • The 5-limit grave fifth is a ratio of 40/27, and is about 680 cents
  • The 7-limit superfifth is a ratio of 32/21, and is about 729 cents.
  • The 11-limit diminished fifth is a ratio of 22/15, and is about 663 cents.
    • There is also an 11-limit acute fifth, which is a ratio of 50/33, and is about 720 cents.
  • The 13-limit ultrafifth is a ratio of 20/13, and is about 746 cents, but it might be better analyzed as an inframinor sixth. Despite that, it is also here for completeness.

In edos

The following table lists the best tuning of 3/2, as well as other fifths if present, in various significant edos.

Edo 3/2 Other fifths
5 720c
7 686c
12 700c
15 720c
16 675c 750c ≈ 20/13
17 706c
19 694c
22 709c 654c ≈ 22/15
24 700c 750c ≈ 20/13, 650c ≈ 22/15
25 720c 672c ≈ 40/27
26 692c 738c ≈ 32/21, 20/13
27 711c 666c ≈ 22/15
29 704c 745c ≈ 20/13, 663c ≈ 22/15
31 697c 736c ≈ 32/21, 659c ≈ 22/15
34 706c 742c ≈ 20/13, 671c ≈ 40/27, 22/15
41 702c 732c ≈ 32/21, 674c ≈ 40/27
53 702c 748c ≈ 20/13, 724c ≈ 32/21, 679c ≈ 40/27, 657c ≈ 22/15

In temperaments

The simplest perfect 5th ratio is 3/2. The following notable temperaments are generated by it:

Temperaments that use 3/2 as a generator

  • Meantone, the temperament flattening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to 5/4
  • Schismatic, the temperament slightly sharpening 3/2 such that nine 3/2s stack to 6/5
  • Superpyth, the temperament sharpening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to 9/7
  • Compton, the temperament of the Pythagorean comma, equivalent to 12edo
  • Mavila, the temperament flattening 3/2 such that four 3/2s stack to 6/5
  • Various historical well temperaments generated by tempered 4/3s or 3/2s, equivalent to 12edo as compton and meantone


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Interval regions
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Seconds Minor secondNeutral secondMajor second
Thirds Minor thirdNeutral thirdMajor third
Fourths and fifths Perfect fourthSuperfourthTritoneSubfifthPerfect fifth
Sixths Minor sixthNeutral sixthMajor sixth
Sevenths Minor seventhNeutral seventhMajor seventh
Interseptimal intervals Interseptimal 2nd-3rd • Interseptimal 3rd-4th • Interseptimal 5th-6th • Interseptimal 6th-7th
Interval qualities
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