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:::::Both of those pages are in the User namespace. In fact, anything that begins with "User:" is. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespaces for more info about Mediawiki namespaces. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 19:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

:I agree with this. All drafts/sandboxes should be in the User namespace. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 19:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

:: Don't forget that there is an official [[~~SandBox~~]] page for every user to try out some wiki markup, or to discuss stuff with other users. '''@Piotr:''' the <code>Editor_</code> suffix was a surrogate for a real user namespace (Wikispaces had no namespaces). The user namespace is the user page and all subpages whereas - by convention - a users's subpages "belong" to the prefixing user (if not indicated otherwise). The talk pages are by default open to other users. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

:: Don't forget that there is an official [[Xenharmonic Wiki: Sandbox]] page for every user to try out some wiki markup, or to discuss stuff with other users. '''@Piotr:''' the <code>Editor_</code> suffix was a surrogate for a real user namespace (Wikispaces had no namespaces). The user namespace is the user page and all subpages whereas - by convention - a users's subpages "belong" to the prefixing user (if not indicated otherwise). The talk pages are by default open to other users. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== Status of [[Ups and Downs Notation]], and personal attacks in edit summaries ==

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Hello Piotr,

I understand your idea to include (some) templates into the [[:Category:Shortcuts]] but you are doing it wrong: if you place <code><nowiki>[[Category:Shortcuts]]</nowiki></code> into a template without surrounding it by <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code>, you cause the including (or "transcluding") pages to be added to this category, what may be intended, but obviously not in this very case ([https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SandBox&oldid=36275#List_model currently] [[~~SandBox~~]] is categorized as a [[:Category:Shortcuts|Shortcut]] but in fact it isn't). BTW [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Template%3AMonzo&type=revision&diff=36459&oldid=36458 I protected Template:Monzo] to help you concentrate on fixing the problems in [[Template:List]] fist.

I understand your idea to include (some) templates into the [[:Category:Shortcuts]] but you are doing it wrong: if you place <code><nowiki>[[Category:Shortcuts]]</nowiki></code> into a template without surrounding it by <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code>, you cause the including (or "transcluding") pages to be added to this category, what may be intended, but obviously not in this very case ([https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SandBox&oldid=36275#List_model currently] [[Xenharmonic Wiki: Sandbox]] is categorized as a [[:Category:Shortcuts|Shortcut]] but in fact it isn't). BTW [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Template%3AMonzo&type=revision&diff=36459&oldid=36458 I protected Template:Monzo] to help you concentrate on fixing the problems in [[Template:List]] fist.

Best regards --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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:: I see '''only one constructive edit''' in [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=PiotrGrochowski&namespace=&tagfilter=&start=2018-10-16&end=2018-10-16 these] You are still promoting forcefully (without any regard) your pointless [[list model]]. You have '''6 minutes left.'''. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 08:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

::: What? All of these are constructive, no [[list model]] is pointless and you are the one promoting a specific list model. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[Editor PiotrGrochowski|info]], [[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/PiotrGrochowski|contribs]]) 08:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

You have been [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Xenwolf&page=User%3APiotrGrochowski&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype= blocked for one <s>month</s> week] to carefully study what's been going on in the last ≈90 minutes. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 08:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

== Thanks for contributing again ==

Hello Piotr,

I ask you to do a critical review of what you are calling "[[list model]]". There will be very few people that will call it like this. And, much more important, MediaWiki will export '''valid HTML''' lists for the simplified wiki markup (<code>#</code>, <code>*</code> and <code>;</code>+<code>:</code>) as well as for list built via HTML markup, the same is true for your templates, but not for the other "options". Please have a look on the resulting HTML delivered by MediaWiki, I mean: check the delivered HTML source code (for example Ctrl+U for Firefox under Windows).

Thanks in advance!

--[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

:The [[list models]] need not have the same HTML output. Plaintext lists are named so because the output is plaintext, so it can be copied anywhere, including personal notes in Notepad or in the <nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki> safety zone. Defined lists intentionally override the MediaWiki list styling for a defined one. All of these are valid HTML. Do you see any HTML errors in your browser's debugger in [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SandBox&oldid=37569#List_model SandBox#List model]? [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[Editor PiotrGrochowski|info]], [[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/PiotrGrochowski|contribs]]) 17:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

=== Why on earth are you insisting to re-invent the wheel?? ===

The wiki source code ''is meant'' to be the ideal fall-back version. That's why it's a bad idea to overcomplicate it. In MediaWiki it's easy to get access to the source code, even if in read-only mode (BTW: did you know [https://en.xen.wiki/w/Chroma?action=raw <code>?action=raw</code>]). Do you really believe that someone is interested in adding unreadable number pictures and hard-coded line breaks, if styling is normally based on CSS these times? Here is what W3Cschools have to say about [https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_lists.asp HTML Lists]. Please consider to further clarify your intention with the help of some sensible reference. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:08, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

:Not everything has to go along your or W3C's opinions. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[Editor PiotrGrochowski|info]], [[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/PiotrGrochowski|contribs]]) 09:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

== Serious warning ==

You are obviously unable to present your intention in a polite and understandable manner. I assume that your intrusive changes will result in you being permanently put into read-only mode in the near future. I very much regret that you have such difficulties with self-criticism. It is still open how long your writing pause will last. I know from some dedicated Xenwiki users that they plead for a permanent ban and resent me for not having you permanently blocked already. Do me (and you!) a favor and undo your last changes.

--[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 13:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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 :::::Both of those pages are in the User namespace. In fact, anything that begins with "User:" is. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespaces for more info about Mediawiki namespaces. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 19:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 :I agree with this. All drafts/sandboxes should be in the User namespace. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 19:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
-:: Don't forget that there is an official [[SandBox]] page for every user to try out some wiki markup, or to discuss stuff with other users. '''@Piotr:''' the <code>Editor_</code> suffix was a surrogate for a real user namespace (Wikispaces had no namespaces). The user namespace is the user page and all subpages whereas - by convention - a users's subpages "belong" to the prefixing user (if not indicated otherwise). The talk pages are by default open to other users. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
+:: Don't forget that there is an official [[Xenharmonic Wiki: Sandbox]] page for every user to try out some wiki markup, or to discuss stuff with other users. '''@Piotr:''' the <code>Editor_</code> suffix was a surrogate for a real user namespace (Wikispaces had no namespaces). The user namespace is the user page and all subpages whereas - by convention - a users's subpages "belong" to the prefixing user (if not indicated otherwise). The talk pages are by default open to other users. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 == Status of [[Ups and Downs Notation]], and personal attacks in edit summaries ==
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 Hello Piotr, <br/>
-I understand your idea to include (some) templates into the [[:Category:Shortcuts]] but you are doing it wrong: if you place <code><nowiki>[[Category:Shortcuts]]</nowiki></code> into a template without surrounding it by <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code>, you cause the including (or "transcluding") pages to be added to this category, what may be intended, but obviously not in this very case ([https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SandBox&oldid=36275#List_model currently] [[SandBox]] is categorized as a [[:Category:Shortcuts|Shortcut]] but in fact it isn't). BTW [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Template%3AMonzo&type=revision&diff=36459&oldid=36458 I protected Template:Monzo] to help you concentrate on fixing the problems in [[Template:List]] fist. <br/>
+I understand your idea to include (some) templates into the [[:Category:Shortcuts]] but you are doing it wrong: if you place <code><nowiki>[[Category:Shortcuts]]</nowiki></code> into a template without surrounding it by <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code>, you cause the including (or "transcluding") pages to be added to this category, what may be intended, but obviously not in this very case ([https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SandBox&oldid=36275#List_model currently] [[Xenharmonic Wiki: Sandbox]] is categorized as a [[:Category:Shortcuts|Shortcut]] but in fact it isn't). BTW [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Template%3AMonzo&type=revision&diff=36459&oldid=36458 I protected Template:Monzo] to help you concentrate on fixing the problems in [[Template:List]] fist. <br/>
 Best regards --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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 :: I see '''only one constructive edit''' in [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=PiotrGrochowski&namespace=&tagfilter=&start=2018-10-16&end=2018-10-16 these] You are still promoting forcefully (without any regard) your pointless [[list model]]. You have '''6 minutes left.'''. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 08:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 ::: What? All of these are constructive, no [[list model]] is pointless and you are the one promoting a specific list model. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[Editor PiotrGrochowski|info]], [[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/PiotrGrochowski|contribs]]) 08:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
+You have been [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Xenwolf&page=User%3APiotrGrochowski&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype= blocked for one <s>month</s> <u>week</u>] to carefully study what's been going on in the last ≈90 minutes. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 08:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
+== Thanks for contributing again ==
+Hello Piotr,<br/>
+I ask you to do a critical review of what you are calling "[[list model]]". There will be very few people that will call it like this. And, much more important, MediaWiki will export '''valid HTML''' lists for the simplified wiki markup (<code>#</code>, <code>*</code> and <code>;</code>+<code>:</code>) as well as for list built via HTML markup, the same is true for your templates, but not for the other "options". Please have a look on the resulting HTML delivered by MediaWiki, I mean: check the delivered HTML source code (for example Ctrl+U for Firefox under Windows). <br/>
+Thanks in advance! <br/>
+--[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
+:The [[list models]] need not have the same HTML output. Plaintext lists are named so because the output is plaintext, so it can be copied anywhere, including personal notes in Notepad or in the <nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki> safety zone. Defined lists intentionally override the MediaWiki list styling for a defined one. All of these are valid HTML. Do you see any HTML errors in your browser's debugger in [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SandBox&oldid=37569#List_model SandBox#List model]? [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[Editor PiotrGrochowski|info]], [[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/PiotrGrochowski|contribs]]) 17:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
+=== Why on earth are you insisting to re-invent the wheel?? ===
+The wiki source code ''is meant'' to be the ideal fall-back version. That's why it's a bad idea to overcomplicate it. In MediaWiki it's easy to get access to the source code, even if in read-only mode (BTW: did you know [https://en.xen.wiki/w/Chroma?action=raw <code>?action=raw</code>]). Do you really believe that someone is interested in adding unreadable number pictures and hard-coded line breaks, if styling is normally based on CSS these times? Here is what W3Cschools have to say about [https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_lists.asp HTML Lists]. Please consider to further clarify your intention with the help of some sensible reference. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:08, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
+:Not everything has to go along your or W3C's opinions. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[Editor PiotrGrochowski|info]], [[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/PiotrGrochowski|contribs]]) 09:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
+== Serious warning ==
+You are obviously unable to present your intention in a polite and understandable manner. I assume that your intrusive changes will result in you being permanently put into read-only mode in the near future. I very much regret that you have such difficulties with self-criticism. It is still open how long your writing pause will last. I know from some dedicated Xenwiki users that they plead for a permanent ban and resent me for not having you permanently blocked already. Do me (and you!) a favor and undo your last changes.
+--[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 13:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)