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'''17303/17280''' is an unnoticable comma that is the difference between three [[12/11]] neutral seconds and a [[13/10]] supermajor third. It is tempered out in low EDOs that are a multiple of 8, along with [[214990848/214358881]] and [[815830271/800000000]], defining various [[8th-octave temperaments]].  However, that's not all, as it is also tempered out in EDOs such as [[159edo]].
'''17303/17280''', the '''tridecimal eighth-octave comma''', is an unnoticable [[13-limit]] (specifically no-7 13-limit) comma. As an [[ultraparticular]], it is the difference between a stack of three [[12/11]] and [[13/10]]. In terms of commas, it is also:
 
* ([[1331/1296]])/([[40/39]])
* ([[24167/24000]])/([[3042/3025]])
* ([[35035/34992]])·([[9801/9800]])
* ([[41503/41472]])·([[1716/1715]])
 
The latter two expressions are derivable from the fact that an alternate [[S-expression]] is S49·S55·S64·S65·S69.
 
== Temperaments ==
As its name suggests, it is tempered out in low EDOs that are a multiple of 8 (specifically {{EDOs|8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 56, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120…}}).
 
As its S-expression suggests, it is tempered out in [[gariwizmic]] since all of its constituents are commas of it. It is also tempered out in [[tertiaschis]], [[tritikleismic]], [[Artoneutral (temperament)|artoneutral]], [[Porcupinefowl|''porcupinefowl'']] and [[wizard]] - which means the edos {{EDOs|7, 15, 22f, 87, 94, 159, 166, 253, 270, 364…}} also temper it out by extension.
 
== Etymology ==
17303/17280's name is derived from the fact that it can coincidentally be expressed as an eighth root of two 8th-octave commas. Specifically, ⁸√{{Overline|([[214990848/214358881]])³·[[815730721/800000000]]}}.
[[Category:Commas named for their periods per equave]]

Latest revision as of 01:25, 30 September 2026

Interval information
Ratio 17303/17280
Factorization 2-7 × 3-3 × 5-1 × 113 × 13
Monzo [-7 -3 -1 0 3 1⟩
Size in cents 2.302772 ¢
Name Tridecimal eighth-octave comma
Color name 3o1o3g1
thotrilo-agu unison
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{dd1}^{11,11,11,13}_{5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 28.1556
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 28.1575
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 74
Comma size unnoticeable
S-expression S11/S12
Open this interval in xen-calc

17303/17280, the tridecimal eighth-octave comma, is an unnoticable 13-limit (specifically no-7 13-limit) comma. As an ultraparticular, it is the difference between a stack of three 12/11 and 13/10. In terms of commas, it is also:

The latter two expressions are derivable from the fact that an alternate S-expression is S49·S55·S64·S65·S69.

Temperaments

As its name suggests, it is tempered out in low EDOs that are a multiple of 8 (specifically 8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 56, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120…).

As its S-expression suggests, it is tempered out in gariwizmic since all of its constituents are commas of it. It is also tempered out in tertiaschis, tritikleismic, artoneutral, porcupinefowl and wizard - which means the edos 7, 15, 22f, 87, 94, 159, 166, 253, 270, 364… also temper it out by extension.

Etymology

17303/17280's name is derived from the fact that it can coincidentally be expressed as an eighth root of two 8th-octave commas. Specifically, ⁸√(214990848/214358881)³·815730721/800000000.