69edo
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Theory
69edo has been called "the love-child of 23edo and quarter-comma meantone". As a meantone system, it is on the flat side, with a fifth of 695.652 cents. Such a fifth is closer to 2/7-comma meantone than 1/4-comma, and is nearly identical to that of "Synch-Meantone", or Wilson's equal beating meantone, wherein the perfect fifth and the major third beat at equal rates. Therefore 69edo can be treated as a closed system of Synch-Meantone for most purposes.
69edo offers two kinds of meantone 12-tone scales. One is the raw meantone scale, which has a 7:4 step ratio, and other is period-3 lithium scale, which has a 6:5 step ratio and stems from a temperament tempering out 3125/3087 along with 81/80. It should be noted that while the lithium scale has a meantone fifth, it produces a tcherepnin scale instead of traditional diatonic.
In the 7-limit it is a mohajira system, tempering out 6144/6125, but not a septimal meantone system, as 126/125 maps to one step. In the 11-limit it tempers out 99/98, and supports the 31&69 variant of mohajira, identical to the standard 11-limit mohajira in 31edo but not in 69.
The concoctic scale for 69edo is 22\69, and the corresponding rank two temperament is 22 & 69, defined by tempering out the [-41, 1, 17⟩ comma in the 5-limit.
Odd harmonics
| Harmonic | 3 | 5 | 7 | 9 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 17 | 19 | 21 | 23 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -6.30 | -3.71 | +5.09 | +4.79 | +5.20 | -5.75 | +7.38 | -0.61 | -1.86 | -1.22 | -2.19 |
| Relative (%) | -36.2 | -21.3 | +29.3 | +27.5 | +29.9 | -33.0 | +42.5 | -3.5 | -10.7 | -7.0 | -12.6 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
109 (40) |
160 (22) |
194 (56) |
219 (12) |
239 (32) |
255 (48) |
270 (63) |
282 (6) |
293 (17) |
303 (27) |
312 (36) | |
Intervals
| Steps | Cents | Approximate ratios | Ups and downs notation (Dual flat fifth 40\69) |
Ups and downs notation (Dual sharp fifth 41\69) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0 | 1/1 | D | D |
| 1 | 17.4 | ^D, vvE♭♭ | ^D, vE♭ | |
| 2 | 34.8 | ^^D, vE♭♭ | ^^D, E♭ | |
| 3 | 52.2 | 32/31, 33/32, 34/33, 35/34 | vD♯, E♭♭ | ^3D, ^E♭ |
| 4 | 69.6 | 25/24, 26/25 | D♯, ^E♭♭ | ^4D, ^^E♭ |
| 5 | 87 | 20/19, 21/20 | ^D♯, vvE♭ | ^5D, ^3E♭ |
| 6 | 104.3 | 17/16, 35/33 | ^^D♯, vE♭ | v5D♯, ^4E♭ |
| 7 | 121.7 | vD𝄪, E♭ | v4D♯, ^5E♭ | |
| 8 | 139.1 | 13/12 | D𝄪, ^E♭ | v3D♯, v5E |
| 9 | 156.5 | 23/21, 34/31, 35/32 | ^D𝄪, vvE | vvD♯, v4E |
| 10 | 173.9 | 21/19, 31/28, 32/29 | ^^D𝄪, vE | vD♯, v3E |
| 11 | 191.3 | 19/17, 29/26 | E | D♯, vvE |
| 12 | 208.7 | 26/23, 35/31 | ^E, vvF♭ | ^D♯, vE |
| 13 | 226.1 | 33/29 | ^^E, vF♭ | E |
| 14 | 243.5 | 23/20 | vE♯, F♭ | ^E, vF |
| 15 | 260.9 | E♯, ^F♭ | F | |
| 16 | 278.3 | 20/17, 34/29 | ^E♯, vvF | ^F, vG♭ |
| 17 | 295.7 | 19/16 | ^^E♯, vF | ^^F, G♭ |
| 18 | 313 | 6/5 | F | ^3F, ^G♭ |
| 19 | 330.4 | 23/19, 29/24 | ^F, vvG♭♭ | ^4F, ^^G♭ |
| 20 | 347.8 | ^^F, vG♭♭ | ^5F, ^3G♭ | |
| 21 | 365.2 | 21/17, 37/30 | vF♯, G♭♭ | v5F♯, ^4G♭ |
| 22 | 382.6 | 5/4 | F♯, ^G♭♭ | v4F♯, ^5G♭ |
| 23 | 400 | 29/23 | ^F♯, vvG♭ | v3F♯, v5G |
| 24 | 417.4 | 14/11 | ^^F♯, vG♭ | vvF♯, v4G |
| 25 | 434.8 | vF𝄪, G♭ | vF♯, v3G | |
| 26 | 452.2 | 13/10 | F𝄪, ^G♭ | F♯, vvG |
| 27 | 469.6 | 21/16 | ^F𝄪, vvG | ^F♯, vG |
| 28 | 487 | ^^F𝄪, vG | G | |
| 29 | 504.3 | G | ^G, vA♭ | |
| 30 | 521.7 | 23/17 | ^G, vvA♭♭ | ^^G, A♭ |
| 31 | 539.1 | ^^G, vA♭♭ | ^3G, ^A♭ | |
| 32 | 556.5 | 29/21 | vG♯, A♭♭ | ^4G, ^^A♭ |
| 33 | 573.9 | 32/23 | G♯, ^A♭♭ | ^5G, ^3A♭ |
| 34 | 591.3 | 31/22 | ^G♯, vvA♭ | v5G♯, ^4A♭ |
| 35 | 608.7 | 37/26 | ^^G♯, vA♭ | v4G♯, ^5A♭ |
| 36 | 626.1 | 23/16, 33/23 | vG𝄪, A♭ | v3G♯, v5A |
| 37 | 643.5 | 29/20 | G𝄪, ^A♭ | vvG♯, v4A |
| 38 | 660.9 | ^G𝄪, vvA | vG♯, v3A | |
| 39 | 678.3 | 34/23, 37/25 | ^^G𝄪, vA | G♯, vvA |
| 40 | 695.7 | A | ^G♯, vA | |
| 41 | 713 | ^A, vvB♭♭ | A | |
| 42 | 730.4 | 29/19, 32/21, 35/23 | ^^A, vB♭♭ | ^A, vB♭ |
| 43 | 747.8 | 20/13, 37/24 | vA♯, B♭♭ | ^^A, B♭ |
| 44 | 765.2 | A♯, ^B♭♭ | ^3A, ^B♭ | |
| 45 | 782.6 | 11/7 | ^A♯, vvB♭ | ^4A, ^^B♭ |
| 46 | 800 | 35/22 | ^^A♯, vB♭ | ^5A, ^3B♭ |
| 47 | 817.4 | 8/5 | vA𝄪, B♭ | v5A♯, ^4B♭ |
| 48 | 834.8 | 34/21 | A𝄪, ^B♭ | v4A♯, ^5B♭ |
| 49 | 852.2 | ^A𝄪, vvB | v3A♯, v5B | |
| 50 | 869.6 | 33/20 | ^^A𝄪, vB | vvA♯, v4B |
| 51 | 887 | 5/3 | B | vA♯, v3B |
| 52 | 904.3 | 32/19 | ^B, vvC♭ | A♯, vvB |
| 53 | 921.7 | 17/10, 29/17 | ^^B, vC♭ | ^A♯, vB |
| 54 | 939.1 | vB♯, C♭ | B | |
| 55 | 956.5 | 33/19 | B♯, ^C♭ | ^B, vC |
| 56 | 973.9 | ^B♯, vvC | C | |
| 57 | 991.3 | 23/13 | ^^B♯, vC | ^C, vD♭ |
| 58 | 1008.7 | 34/19 | C | ^^C, D♭ |
| 59 | 1026.1 | 29/16 | ^C, vvD♭♭ | ^3C, ^D♭ |
| 60 | 1043.5 | 31/17 | ^^C, vD♭♭ | ^4C, ^^D♭ |
| 61 | 1060.9 | 24/13, 35/19 | vC♯, D♭♭ | ^5C, ^3D♭ |
| 62 | 1078.3 | C♯, ^D♭♭ | v5C♯, ^4D♭ | |
| 63 | 1095.7 | 32/17 | ^C♯, vvD♭ | v4C♯, ^5D♭ |
| 64 | 1113 | 19/10 | ^^C♯, vD♭ | v3C♯, v5D |
| 65 | 1130.4 | 25/13 | vC𝄪, D♭ | vvC♯, v4D |
| 66 | 1147.8 | 31/16, 33/17 | C𝄪, ^D♭ | vC♯, v3D |
| 67 | 1165.2 | ^C𝄪, vvD | C♯, vvD | |
| 68 | 1182.6 | ^^C𝄪, vD | ^C♯, vD | |
| 69 | 1200 | 2/1 | D | D |
Proposed names
| Degree | Carmen's naming system | Cents | Approximate Ratios* | Error (abs, ¢) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | Natural Unison, 1 | 0.000 | 1/1 | 0.000 |
| 1 | Ptolemy's comma | 17.391 | 100/99 | -0.008 |
| 2 | Jubilisma, lesser septimal sixth tone | 34.783 | 50/49, 101/99 | -0.193, 0.157 |
| 3 | lesser septendecimal quartertone, _____ | 52.174 | 34/33, 101/98 | 0.491, -0.028 |
| 4 | _____ | 69.565 | 76/73 | -0.158 |
| 5 | Small undevicesimal semitone | 86.957 | 20/19 | -1.844 |
| 6 | Large septendecimal semitone | 104.348 | 17/16 | -0.608 |
| 7 | Septimal diatonic semitone | 121.739 | 15/14 | 2.296 |
| 8 | Tridecimal neutral second | 139.130 | 13/12 | 0.558 |
| 9 | Vicesimotertial neutral second | 156.522 | 23/21 | -0.972 |
| 10 | Undevicesimal large neutral second, undevicesimal whole tone | 173.913 | 21/19 | 0.645 |
| 11 | Quasi-meantone | 191.304 | 19/17 | -1.253 |
| 12 | Whole tone | 208.696 | 9/8 | 4.786 |
| 13 | Septimal whole tone | 226.087 | 8/7 | -5.087 |
| 14 | Vicesimotertial semifourth | 243.478 | 23/20 | 1.518 |
| 15 | Subminor third, undetricesimal subminor third | 260.870 | 7/6, 29/25 | -6.001, 3.920 |
| 16 | Vicesimotertial subminor third | 278.261 | 27/23 | 0.670 |
| 17 | Pythagorean minor third | 295.652 | 32/27 | 1.517 |
| 18 | Classic minor third | 313.043 | 6/5 | -2.598 |
| 19 | Vicesimotertial supraminor third | 330.435 | 23/19 | -0.327 |
| 20 | Undecimal neutral third | 347.826 | 11/9 | 0.418 |
| 21 | Septendecimal submajor third | 365.217 | 21/17 | -0.608 |
| 22 | Classic major third | 382.609 | 5/4 | -3.705 |
| 23 | Undetricesimal major third, Septendecimal major third | 400.000 | 29/23, 34/27 | -1.303, 0.910 |
| 24 | Undecimal major third | 417.391 | 14/11 | -0.117 |
| 25 | Supermajor third | 434.783 | 9/7 | -0.301 |
| 26 | Barbados third | 452.174 | 13/10 | -2.040 |
| 27 | Septimal sub-fourth | 469.565 | 21/16 | -1.216 |
| 28 | _____ | 486.957 | 53/40 | -0.234 |
| 29 | Just perfect fourth | 504.348 | 4/3 | 6.303 |
| 30 | Vicesimotertial acute fourth | 521.739 | 23/17 | -1.580 |
| 31 | Undecimal augmented fourth | 539.130 | 15/11 | 2.180 |
| 32 | Undecimal superfourth, undetricesimal superfourth | 556.522 | 11/8, 29/21 | 5.204, -2.275 |
| 33 | Narrow tritone, classic augmented fourth | 573.913 | 7/5, 25/18 | -8.600, 5.196 |
| 34 | _____ | 591.304 | 31/22 | -2.413 |
| 35 | High tritone, undevicesimal tritone | 608.696 | 10/7, 27/19 | -8.792, 0.344 |
| 36 | _____ | 626.087 | 33/23 | 1.088 |
| 37 | Undetricesimal tritone | 643.478 | 29/20 | 0.215 |
| 38 | Undevicesimal diminished fifth, undecimal diminished fifth | 660.870 | 19/13, 22/15 | 3.884, -2.180 |
| 39 | Vicesimotertial grave fifth, _____ | 678.261 | 34/23, 37/25 | 1.580, -0.456 |
| 40 | Just perfect fifth | 695.652 | 3/2 | -6.303 |
| 41 | _____ | 713.043 | 80/53 | 0.234 |
| 42 | Super-fifth, undetricesimal super-fifth | 730.435 | 32/21, 29/19 | 1.216, -1.630 |
| 43 | Septendecimal subminor sixth | 747.826 | 17/11 | -5.811 |
| 44 | Subminor sixth | 765.217 | 14/9 | 0.301 |
| 45 | Undecimal minor sixth | 782.609 | 11/7 | 0.117 |
| 46 | Septendecimal subminor sixth | 800.000 | 27/17 | -0.910 |
| 47 | Classic minor sixth | 817.391 | 8/5 | 3.705 |
| 48 | Septendecimal supraminor sixth | 834.783 | 34/21 | 0.608 |
| 49 | Undecimal neutral sixth | 852.174 | 18/11 | -0.418 |
| 50 | Vicesimotertial submajor sixth | 869.565 | 38/23 | 0.327 |
| 51 | Classic major sixth | 886.957 | 5/3 | 2.598 |
| 52 | Pythagorean major sixth | 904.348 | 27/16 | -1.517 |
| 53 | Septendecimal major sixth, undetricesimal major sixth | 921.739 | 17/10, 29/17 | 3.097, -2.883 |
| 54 | Supermajor sixth, undetricesimal supermajor sixth | 939.130 | 12/7, 50/29 | 6.001, -3.920 |
| 55 | Vicesimotertial supermajor sixth | 956.522 | 40/23 | -1.518 |
| 56 | Harmonic seventh | 973.913 | 7/4 | 5.087 |
| 57 | Pythagorean minor seventh | 991.304 | 16/9 | -4.786 |
| 58 | Quasi-meantone minor seventh | 1008.696 | 34/19 | 1.253 |
| 59 | Minor neutral undevicesimal seventh | 1026.087 | 38/21 | -0.645 |
| 60 | Vicesimotertial neutral seventh | 1043.478 | 42/23 | 0.972 |
| 61 | Tridecimal neutral seventh | 1060.870 | 24/13 | -0.558 |
| 62 | Septimal diatonic major seventh | 1078.261 | 28/15 | -2.296 |
| 63 | Small septendecimal major seventh | 1095.652 | 32/17 | 0.608 |
| 64 | Small undevicesimal semitone | 1113.043 | 20/19 | 1.844 |
| 65 | _____ | 1130.435 | 73/38 | 0.158 |
| 66 | Septendecimal supermajor seventh | 1147.826 | 33/17 | -0.491 |
| 67 | _____ | 1165.217 | 49/25 | -0.193 |
| 68 | _____ | 1182.609 | 99/50 | 0.008 |
| 69 | Octave, 8 | 1200.000 | 2/1 | 0.000 |
*some simpler ratios listed
Notation
Sagittal notation
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs 62 and 76.
Evo flavor
Revo flavor
Evo-SZ flavor
In the diagrams above, a sagittal symbol followed by an equals sign (=) means that the following comma is the symbol's primary comma (the comma it exactly represents in JI), while an approximately equals sign (≈) means it is a secondary comma (a comma it approximately represents in JI). In both cases the symbol exactly represents the tempered version of the comma in this EDO.
Regular temperament properties
| Subgroup | Comma List | Mapping | Optimal 8ve Stretch (¢) |
Tuning Error | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Absolute (¢) | Relative (%) | ||||
| 2.3 | [-109 69⟩ | [⟨69 109]] | +1.99 | 1.99 | 11.43 |
| 2.3.5 | 81/80, [-41 1 17⟩ | [⟨69 109 160]] | +1.86 | 1.64 | 9.40 |
| 2.3.5.7 | 81/80, 126/125, 4117715/3981312 | [⟨69 109 160 193]] (69d) | +2.49 | 1.79 | 10.28 |
| 2.3.5.7 | 81/80, 3125/3087, 6144/6125 | [⟨69 109 160 194]] (69) | +0.94 | 2.13 | 12.23 |
Rank 2 temperaments
| Periods per 8ve |
Generator | Temperaments |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 2\69 | Gammy (69de) |
| 1 | 19\69 | Rarity |
| 1 | 20\69 | Mohaha (69e) |
| 1 | 22\69 | Caleb (69) marveltri (69) |
| 1 | 29\69 | Meantone (69d) |
| 3 | 5\69 | Ogene (69bceef) |
| 3 | 6\69 | August (7-limit, 69cdd) Lithium (69) |
| 3 | 9\69 | Nessafof (69e) |
Scales
- Supermajor[11], 3L 8s – 6 6 6 7 6 6 6 7 6 6 7
- Meantone[7], 5L 2s (gen = 40\69) – 11 11 7 11 11 11 7
- Meantone[12], 7L 5s (gen = 40\69) – 7 4 7 4 7 4 7 7 4 7 4 7
- Lithium[9], 3L 6s – 11 6 6 11 6 6 11 6 6
- Lithium[12], 9L 3s – 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 6
Music
- Hypergiant Sakura (2021)
- 69 hours before (2023)