Dicot family: Difference between revisions

Overthink (talk | contribs)
Decanonicalize septimal dicot. - 2.3.5.11-subgroup eudicot (no need for explicit documentation if it's canonical)
 
Line 14: Line 14:


{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 2 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 2 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5/4
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5/4


Line 33: Line 32:
=== Overview to extensions ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
==== 7-limit extensions ====
==== 7-limit extensions ====
The second comma of the [[normal forms #Normal forms for commas|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot adds [[36/35]], flattie adds [[21/20]], sharpie adds [[28/27]], and dichotic adds [[64/63]], all retaining the same period and generator.  
The second comma of the comma list defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. Mujannabic adds [[36/35]], flattie adds [[21/20]], sharpie adds [[28/27]], and dichotic adds [[64/63]], all retaining the same period and generator.  


The dicot comma, 25/24, factors into the 7-limit as ([[49/48]])⋅([[50/49]]). Since [[49/48]] is the difference between [[8/7]] and [[7/6]], and [[50/49]] is the difference between [[7/5]] and [[10/7]], it makes sense to extend dicot to temper them all out, leading to decimal, a weak extension where the octave and twelfth are split in halves. Other weak extensions include sidi, which adds [[245/243]], and jamesbond, which adds [[16/15]]. Here sidi uses 14/9 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined [[5/2]][[~]][[12/5]] neutral tenth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.
The dicot comma, 25/24, factors into the 7-limit as ([[49/48]])⋅([[50/49]]). Since [[49/48]] is the difference between [[8/7]] and [[7/6]], and [[50/49]] is the difference between [[7/5]] and [[10/7]], it makes sense to extend dicot to temper them all out, leading to decimal, a weak extension where the octave and twelfth are split in halves. Other weak extensions include sidi, which adds [[245/243]], and jamesbond, which adds [[16/15]]. Here sidi uses 14/9 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined [[5/2]][[~]][[12/5]] neutral tenth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.
Line 46: Line 45:
In the 11-limit, we have the identity 25/24 = ([[45/44]])⋅([[55/54]]), so it makes sense to temper out all of them. This leads to the very natural subgroup temperament where [[11/9]]~[[27/22]] is mapped to the neutral third. As such, this is also the path that most of the septimal extensions take to get their 11-limit versions.  
In the 11-limit, we have the identity 25/24 = ([[45/44]])⋅([[55/54]]), so it makes sense to temper out all of them. This leads to the very natural subgroup temperament where [[11/9]]~[[27/22]] is mapped to the neutral third. As such, this is also the path that most of the septimal extensions take to get their 11-limit versions.  


An alternative identity is 25/24 = ([[33/32]])⋅([[100/99]]), and tempering out these commas leads to the 2.3.5.11 version of eudicot.
An alternative identity is 25/24 = ([[33/32]])⋅([[100/99]]), and tempering out these commas leads to the 2.3.5.11-subgroup restriction of some of the temperaments below.


=== Dicot (2.3.5.11 subgroup) ===
=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11


Line 82: Line 81:
Badness (Sintel): 0.536
Badness (Sintel): 0.536


=== Eudicot (2.3.5.11 subgroup) ===
== Mujannabic ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11
Mujannabic extends dicot such that [[7/6]] and [[9/7]] are also conflated with 5/4~6/5. Although 5/4–6/5 covers a giant block of pitches already, 7/6 and 9/7 are often considered as thirds too. On that account one could argue for the utility of this extension despite the relatively poor accuracy.  
 
Comma list: 25/24, 33/32
 
Subgroup val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 4 | 0 2 1 -2 }}
 
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 4 | 0 2 1 0 -2 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1209.224{{c}}, ~5/4 = 347.612{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 346.056{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 3, 4, 7, 45cceee }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.493
 
==== 2.3.5.11.13 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11.13
 
Comma list: 25/24, 33/32, 40/39
 
Subgroup val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 4 4 | 0 2 1 -2 -1 }}
 
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 0 4 4 | 0 2 1 0 -2 -1 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1205.934{{c}}, ~5/4 = 349.530{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 348.213{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 3, 4, 7 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.575
 
== Septimal dicot ==
{{Main| Dicot }}


Septimal dicot is the extension where [[7/6]] and [[9/7]] are also conflated into 5/4~6/5. Although 5/4~6/5 covers a giant block of pitches already, 7/6 and 9/7 are often considered as thirds too. On that account one could argue for the canonicity of this extension, despite the relatively poor accuracy.  
Mujannabic was known as ''septimal dicot'' in earlier materials such as [[Graham Breed]]'s [https://x31eq.com/temper/ Temperament Finder].  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Line 183: Line 148:


== Flattie ==
== Flattie ==
This temperament used to be known as ''flat''. Unlike septimal dicot where 7/6 is added to the neutral third, here [[8/7]] is added instead.  
This temperament used to be known as ''flat''. Unlike mujannabic where 7/6 is added to the neutral third, here [[8/7]] is added instead.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7