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::* 135edo and 147edo also support cassandra but with more inconsistencies.

:: How can we express them with max concision? On the topic of S-expression, I can't agree that S-expressions are easier to remember than ratios... I don't chunk them, I have to parse them. 5120/5103, 225/224, 32805/32768, 531441/524288, all are to me as a single thing, alongside many other commas whose ratios, monzos, names I've memorized. I find ratios, monzos or names much easier to memorize (within reason), and I alternate between the three. --[[User:Eufalesio|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio|talk]]) 16:29, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

::: I reject your argument of "easy to memorise" as there's far too many commas for that (as many could tell you) and because as proof of this, I'm probably the person on XA who is ''most comfortable'' with reading temperament info in the form of the pure ratios. Take a look at how much of my post history is raw comma ratios if you don't believe me ^_^;. I specifically discovered the S-expression-based comma families ''because'' of very common patterns in the kinds of commas I wanted to temper out or equate, like:

::: S''k'' = (''k''/(''k''-1))/((''k''+1)/k) and S''k''/S(''k''+1) = (''k''+2)/(''k''-1) / ((''k''+1)/''k'')<sup>3</sup>, and I then discovered S(''k''-1)/S(''k''+1) [[S-expression#Sk/S(k_+_2)_(semiparticulars)|had a general meaning too]] as well as (the much more obvious) S''k''*S(''k''+1)*...*S(''k''+''n''-1) = (''k''/(''k''-1)) / ((''k''+''n'')/(''k''+''n''-1)).

::: In other words, my recommendation for practicality is that commas that ''don't'' uniquely fit into an S-expression-based infinite comma family with a clear meaning are ones that should be memorised. (And if there's a comma that fits into multiple families, that's usually notable enough that it's worth bothering to memorise all of its S-expressions, so in that case I like stating all of its known S-expressions.) Basically I'm saying, if you're struggling to remember S-expressions, that's because they're not ''supposed'' to be memorised; you're supposed to ''read'' what they do ''from the expression'', which if you actually know your commas, will easily tell you what comma it corresponds to. Hopefully I explained that well enough.

::: --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 17:09, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

::: Separately, the key points you believe I'd agree on aren't really all that useful to me because they don't really address anything that I actually said, as it gives me no idea what you actually take issue with in my writing other than S-expressions, and it's already clear in this page that the writing style is supposed to be different from the rest of the xen wiki cuz of being aimed at being a compendium of useful rank 2 temperaments. (I think covering other ranks is going to make things too complicated/confusing probably/realistically, so it's probably best to keep it at rank 2 given a lot of the most useful rank 3 temperaments like marvel have a bunch of rank 2 interpretations anyways.) Anyways, if it's more convenient to you than reading dense writing, I'd be happy to talk on Discord. (I've pinged you there.) --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 17:09, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

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 ::* 135edo and 147edo also support cassandra but with more inconsistencies.
 :: How can we express them with max concision? On the topic of S-expression, I can't agree that S-expressions are easier to remember than ratios... I don't chunk them, I have to parse them. 5120/5103, 225/224, 32805/32768, 531441/524288, all are to me as a single thing, alongside many other commas whose ratios, monzos, names I've memorized. I find ratios, monzos or names much easier to memorize (within reason), and I alternate between the three. --[[User:Eufalesio|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio|talk]]) 16:29, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
+::: I reject your argument of "easy to memorise" as there's far too many commas for that (as many could tell you) and because as proof of this, I'm probably the person on XA who is ''most comfortable'' with reading temperament info in the form of the pure ratios. Take a look at how much of my post history is raw comma ratios if you don't believe me ^_^;. I specifically discovered the S-expression-based comma families ''because'' of very common patterns in the kinds of commas I wanted to temper out or equate, like:
+::: S''k'' = (''k''/(''k''-1))/((''k''+1)/k) and S''k''/S(''k''+1) = (''k''+2)/(''k''-1) / ((''k''+1)/''k'')<sup>3</sup>, and I then discovered S(''k''-1)/S(''k''+1) [[S-expression#Sk/S(k_+_2)_(semiparticulars)|had a general meaning too]] as well as (the much more obvious) S''k''*S(''k''+1)*...*S(''k''+''n''-1) = (''k''/(''k''-1)) / ((''k''+''n'')/(''k''+''n''-1)).
+::: In other words, my recommendation for practicality is that commas that ''don't'' uniquely fit into an S-expression-based infinite comma family with a clear meaning are ones that should be memorised. (And if there's a comma that fits into multiple families, that's usually notable enough that it's worth bothering to memorise all of its S-expressions, so in that case I like stating all of its known S-expressions.) Basically I'm saying, if you're struggling to remember S-expressions, that's because they're not ''supposed'' to be memorised; you're supposed to ''read'' what they do ''from the expression'', which if you actually know your commas, will easily tell you what comma it corresponds to. Hopefully I explained that well enough.
+::: --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 17:09, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
+::: Separately, the key points you believe I'd agree on aren't really all that useful to me because they don't really address anything that I actually said, as it gives me no idea what you actually take issue with in my writing other than S-expressions, and it's already clear in this page that the writing style is supposed to be different from the rest of the xen wiki cuz of being aimed at being a compendium of useful rank 2 temperaments. (I think covering other ranks is going to make things too complicated/confusing probably/realistically, so it's probably best to keep it at rank 2 given a lot of the most useful rank 3 temperaments like marvel have a bunch of rank 2 interpretations anyways.) Anyways, if it's more convenient to you than reading dense writing, I'd be happy to talk on Discord. (I've pinged you there.) --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 17:09, 7 May 2026 (UTC)