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== Temperament pages ==
== Temperament pages ==
Note:  
Note:  
# Order: [[subgroup]], [[comma list]], ([[sval]]) [[mapping]], (sval) mapping generators, gencom mapping, [[gencom]], lattice basis, [[wedgie]], [[optimal tuning]]s ([[CTE]], [[CWE]]/[[POTE]]), [[minimax tuning]], [[tuning ranges]], [[algebraic generator]], [[optimal ET sequence]], [[badness]], [[complexity spectrum]], and others.  
# Order: [[subgroup]], [[comma list]], [[mapping]], mapping generators, (subgroup-val mapping, gencom mapping), lattice basis, [[optimal tuning]]s ([[WE]] and [[CWE]]), [[minimax tuning]], [[tuning ranges]], [[algebraic generator]] (?), [[optimal ET sequence]], [[badness]], [[complexity spectrum]], and others.  
# Comma list should show the simplest commas sufficient to define the temperament, stated in [[Normal lists #Normal interval list]].  
# Comma list should be the Tenney-minimal commas sufficient to define the temperament, stated in [[Normal lists #Normal interval list]].  
# Mapping generators should show all the ratios as used in the mapping, including the period.  
# Mapping generators should show all the ratios as used in the mapping, including the period.  
# Since minimax tunings are based on tonality diamond, it should explicitly state the ''odd'' limit, or a diamond function of ratios.
# For subgroup temperaments, "mapping" becomes "subgroup-val mapping" and "gencom mapping"".  
# For subgroup temperaments, "mapping" becomes "sval mapping", add "gencom mapping" and "gencom". If TE is TE is TE (''sic''), simply show "CTE/CWE", otherwise show "subgroup/inharmonic CTE/CWE" instead.  
* If the subgroup is trivial, simply show "WE"/"CWE", otherwise show "subgroup/inharmonic WE/CWE" instead.
# Cent symbol in tunings.
# Since minimax tunings are based on tonality diamonds, it should explicitly state the ''odd'' limit, or a diamond function of ratios.
# Algebraic generators are to be discussed later.  


Get a family for:  
Get a family for:  
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* Schismatic rank three family (perhaps)
* Schismatic rank three family (perhaps)


Who's next?
Progress:
* <s>Meantone family</s>
* <s>Meantone family</s>
* <s>Didymus rank three family</s>
* <s>Didymus rank-3 family</s>
* <s>Archytas clan</s>
* <s>Archytas clan</s>
* <s>Archytas family</s>
* <s>Archytas family</s>
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* <s>Trienstonic clan</s>
* <s>Trienstonic clan</s>
* <s>Septisemi temperaments</s>
* <s>Septisemi temperaments</s>
* <s>Slendro clan</s>
* <s>Semaphoresmic clan</s>
* <s>Semiphore family</s>
* <s>Semaphoresmic family</s>
* <s>Jubilismic clan</s>
* <s>Jubilismic clan</s>
* <s>Jubilismic family</s>
* <s>Jubilismic family</s>
* <s>Mint temperaments</s>
* [[Mint temperaments]]
* <s>Mint family</s>
* [[Mint family]]
* <s>Ripple family</s>
* <s>Ripple family</s>
* <s>Smate family</s>
* [[Smate family]]
* <s>Augmented family</s>
* <s>Augmented family</s>
* <s>Dimipent family</s>
* <s>Diminished family</s>
* <s>Dicot family</s>
* <s>Dicot family</s>
* <s>Bug family</s>
* <s>Bug family</s>
* <s>Pelogic family</s>
* <s>Mavila family</s>
* <s>Marvel temperaments</s>
* [[Marvel temperaments]]
* <s>Marvel family</s>
* [[Marvel family]]
* <s>Gamelismic clan</s>
* [[Gamelismic clan]]
* <s>Gamelismic family</s>
* [[Gamelismic family]]
* <s>Starling temperaments</s>
* [[Starling temperaments]]
* <s>Starling family</s>
* [[Starling family]]
* <s>Sensamagic clan</s>
* [[Sensamagic clan]]
* <s>Sensamagic family</s>
* [[Sensamagic family]]
* <s>Magic family</s>
* [[Magic family]]
* <s>Sensipent family</s>
* [[Sensipent family]]
* <s>Keemic temperaments</s>
* [[Keemic temperaments]]
* <s>Keemic family</s>
* [[Keemic family]]
* <s>Sengic family</s>
* [[Sengic family]]
* <s>Schismatic family</s>
* [[Schismatic family]]
* <s>Kleismic family</s>
* [[Kleismic family]]
* <s>Kleismic rank three family</s>
* [[Kleismic rank-3 family]]
* <s>Würschmidt family</s>
* [[Würschmidt family]]
* <s>Unicorn family</s>
* [[Unicorn family]]
* <s>Shibboleth family</s>
* [[Immunity family]]
* <s>Immunity family</s>
* [[Fifive family]]
* <s>Fifive family</s>
* [[Trisedodge family]]
* <s>Trisedodge family</s>
* [[Quintosec family]]
* <s>Quintosec family</s>
* [[Quintile family]]
* <s>Pental family</s>
* [[Sycamore family]]
* <s>Sycamore family</s>
* [[Semicomma family]]
* <s>Semicomma family</s>
* [[Orwellismic temperaments]]
* <s>Orwellismic temperaments</s>
* [[Orwellismic family]]
* <s>Orwellismic family</s>
* [[Hemimean clan]]
* <s>Hemimean clan</s>
* [[Hemimean family]]
* <s>Hemimean family</s>
* [[Hemifamity temperaments]]
* <s>Hemifamity temperaments</s>
* [[Hemifamity family]]
* <s>Hemifamity family</s>
* [[Porwell temperaments]]
* <s>Porwell temperaments</s>
* [[Porwell family]]
* <s>Porwell family</s>
* [[Hemimage temperaments]]
* <s>Hemimage temperaments</s>
* [[Hemimage family]]
* <s>Hemimage family</s>
* <s>Porcupine family</s>
* <s>Porcupine family</s>
* <s>Porcupine rank three family</s>
* <s>Porcupine rank-3 family</s>
* <s>Tetracot family</s>
* [[Tetracot family]]
* <s>Diaschismic family</s>
* <s>Diaschismic family</s>
* <s>Diaschismic rank three family</s>
* <s>Diaschismic rank-3 family</s>
* <s>Compton family</s>
* [[Compton family]]
* <s>Amity family</s>
* [[Amity family]]
* <s>Misty family</s>
* [[Misty family]]
* <s>Undim family</s>
* [[Undim family]]
* <s>Lehmerismic temperaments</s>
* [[Lehmerismic temperaments]]
* <s>Kalismic temperaments</s>
* [[Kalismic temperaments]]
* <s>Ragismic microtemperaments</s>
* [[Ragismic microtemperaments]]
* <s>Ragismic family</s>
* [[Ragismic family]]
* <s>Landscape microtemperaments</s>
* [[Landscape microtemperaments]]
* <s>Landscape family</s>
* [[Landscape family]]
* <s>Dimcomp family</s>
* [[Dimcomp family]]
* <s>Mirkwai clan</s>
* [[Mirkwai clan]]
* <s>Mirkwai family</s>
* [[Mirkwai family]]
* <s>Quince clan</s>
* [[Quince clan]]
* <s>Breedsmic temperaments</s>
* [[Breedsmic temperaments]]
* <s>Breed family</s>
* [[Breed family]]
* <s>Escapade family</s>
* [[Escapade family]]
* <s>Gravity family</s>
* <s>Gravity family</s>
* <s>Cataharry temperaments</s>
* [[Cataharry temperaments]]
* <s>Cataharry family</s>
* [[Cataharry family]]
* <s>Varunismic temperaments</s>
* [[Varunismic temperaments]]
* <s>Rastmic rank three clan</s>
* <s>Rastmic rank-3 clan</s>
* <s>Biyatismic clan</s>
* [[Biyatismic clan]]
* <s>Ptolemismic clan</s>
* [[Ptolemismic clan]]
* <s>Valinorsmic clan</s>
* [[Valinorsmic clan]]
* <s>Pentacircle clan</s>
* [[Pentacircle clan]]
* <s>Keenanismic temperaments</s>
* [[Keenanismic temperaments]]
* <s>Werckismic temperaments</s>
* [[Werckismic temperaments]]
* <s>Swetismic temperaments</s>
* [[Swetismic temperaments]]
* <s>Wizmic microtemperaments</s>
* [[Wizmic microtemperaments]]
* <s>Metric microtemperaments</s>
* [[Metric microtemperaments]]
* <s>Horwell temperaments</s>
* [[Horwell temperaments]]
* <s>Horwell family</s>
* [[Horwell family]]
* <s>Luna family</s>
* [[Luna family]]
* <s>Vulture family</s>
* [[Vulture family]]
* <s>Tricot family</s>
* [[Alphatricot family]]
* <s>Minortonic family</s>
* [[Minortonic family]]
* <s>Gammic family</s>
* [[Gammic family]]
* <s>Vishnuzmic family</s>
* [[Vishnuzmic family]]
* <s>Garischismic clan</s>
* [[Garischismic clan]]
* <s>Canousmic temperaments</s>
* [[Canousmic temperaments]]
* <s>Canou family</s>
* [[Canou family]]
* <s>Semicanousmic clan</s>
* [[Semicanousmic clan]]
* <s>Semiporwellismic clan</s>
* [[Semiporwellismic clan]]
* <s>Olympic clan</s>
* [[Olympic clan]]
* <s>Alphaxenic rank three clan</s>
* [[Alphaxenic rank-3 clan]]
* <s>Mirwomo temperaments</s>
* [[Mirwomo temperaments]]
* <s>Gariboh clan</s>
* [[Gariboh clan]]
* <s>Gariboh family</s>
* [[Gariboh family]]
* <s>Octagar temperaments</s>
* [[Octagar temperaments]]
* <s>Octagar family</s>
* [[Octagar family]]
* <s>Wesley family</s>
* [[Wesley family]]
* <s>Apotome family</s>
* <s>Whitewood family</s>
* [[Mabila family]]
* [[Mabila family]]
* [[Maquila family]]
* [[Maquila family]]
* [[Maja family]]
* [[Maja family]]
* [[Ditonmic family]]
* [[Ditonmic family]]
* <s>Greenwoodmic temperaments</s>
* [[Greenwoodmic temperaments]]
* <s>Avicennmic temperaments</s>
* [[Avicennmic temperaments]]


== Regular temperament properties ==
== Regular temperament properties ==

Revision as of 14:37, 12 September 2025

♭♮♯

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Template: Temperament data

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 81/80, 126/125

Mapping: [1 0 -4 -13], 0 1 4 10]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3

Wedgie⟨⟨ 1 4 10 4 13 12 ]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~3/2 = 696.9521

Optimal ET sequence12, 19, 31, 81, 112b, 143b

Badness: 0.0137

5-limit rank-2 temperaments by TE simple badness

Breed's simple badness.

Junk temperaments

High-badness temperaments

Temperament Complexity Error (¢) Badness (moct) Mapping Comma list
Yo .367 26.0 7.95 [1 0 -1], 0 1 -2]] 10/9
Antitonic .395 27.0 8.89 [2 3 0], 0 0 1]] 9/8
Father .443 13.2 4.87 [1 0 4], 0 1 -1]] 16/15
Bug .602 11.6 5.81 [1 0 0], 0 2 3]] 27/25
Supersharp 1.06 7.94 7.01 [2 0 -5], 0 1 3]] 800/729
Laconic 1.24 6.52 6.74 [1 1 1], 0 3 7]] 2187/2000
Lafayette 1.30 7.00 7.60 [1 1 2], 0 5 3]] 3456/3125
Symbolic 1.31 6.09 6.66 [1 3 4], 0 -5 -6]] 2048/1875
Sixix 1.37 4.57 5.22 [1 3 2], 0 -4 1]] 3125/2916
Uncle 1.40 7.53 8.80 [1 0 12], 0 1 -6]] 4096/3645
Whitewood 1.42 4.20 4.95 [7 11 0], 0 0 1]] 2187/2048
1.66 4.13 5.72 [1 0 5], 0 3 -5]] 32768/30375

Main sequence

Temperament Complexity Error (¢) Badness (moct) Mapping Comma list
Dicot .521 7.09 3.08 [1 1 2], 0 2 1]] 25/24
Meantone .711 1.58 .937 [1 0 -4], 0 1 4]] 81/80
Mavila .795 6.06 4.02 [1 0 7], 0 1 -3]] 135/128
Augmented .894 2.40 1.79 [3 0 7], 0 1 0]] 128/125
Porcupine .960 2.68 2.14 [1 2 3], 0 -3 -5]] 250/243
Blackwood 1.02 4.63 3.93 [5 8 0], 0 0 1]] 256/243
Diminished 1.05 3.10 2.73 [4 0 3], 0 1 1]] 648/625
Srutal 1.22 .835 .852 [2 0 11], 0 1 -2]] 2048/2025
Magic 1.40 1.11 1.29 [1 0 2], 0 5 1]] 3125/3072
Hanson 1.55 .274 .353 [1 0 1], 0 6 5]] 15625/15552
Ripple 1.56 2.82 3.66 [1 2 3], 0 -5 -8]] 6561/6250
Negri 1.58 1.69 2.23 [1 2 2], 0 -4 3]] 16875/16384
Tetracot 1.61 .900 1.21 [1 1 1], 0 4 9]] 20000/19683
Superpyth 1.70 2.11 2.99 [1 0 -12], 0 1 9]] 20480/19683
Helmholtz 1.79 .0570 .0851 [1 0 15], 0 1 -8]] 32805/32768
Wesley 1.91 2.75 4.37 [1 4 3], 0 -7 -2]] 78125/73728
Sensipent 1.97 .356 .584 [1 6 8], 0 7 9]] 78732/78125
Stump 2.02 1.88 3.16 [1 0 6], 0 3 -7]] 273375/262144
Passion 2.02 1.57 2.64 [1 2 2], 0 -5 4]] 262144/253125
Doublewide 2.06 2.00 3.43 [2 1 3], 0 4 3]] 390625/373248
Würschmidt 2.29 .262 .499 [1 7 3], 0 8 1]] 393216/390625
Amity 2.29 .140 .268 [1 3 6], 0 -5 -13]] 1600000/1594323
Valentine 2.34 .736 1.44 [1 1 2], 0 9 5]] 1990656/1953125
Immunity 2.40 1.03 2.06 [1 0 -8], 0 2 13]] 1638400/1594323
Shibboleth 2.42 1.24 2.50 [1 4 5], 0 -9 -10]] 1953125/1889568
Compton 2.44 .504 1.02 [12 19 0], 0 0 1]] 531441/524288
Orson 2.44 .215 .438 [1 0 3], 0 7 -3]] 2109375/2097152
Unicorn 2.52 .725 1.52 [1 2 3], 0 -8 -13]] 1594323/1562500
Mynic 2.60 1.10 2.37 [1 9 9], 0 -10 -9]] 10077696/9765625
Ampersand 2.78 .594 1.38 [1 1 3], 0 6 -7]] 34171875/33554432
Fifive 2.91 .643 1.56 [2 2 3], 0 5 7]] 9765625/9565938
Misty 2.99 .308 .767 [3 0 26], 0 1 -4]] 67108864/66430125
Gravity 2.99 .269 .669 [1 5 12], 0 -6 -17]] 129140163/128000000
Rodan 3.10 .433 1.12 [1 1 -1], 0 3 17]] [20 -17 3
3.11 .757 1.96 [1 0 -23], 0 1 16]] [-23 16 -1
Mabila 3.32 .488 1.35 [1 6 1], 0 -10 3]] [28 -3 -10
Parakleismic 3.47 .0798 .231 [1 5 6], 0 -13 -14]] [8 14 -13
Quartonic 3.48 .214 .621 [1 2 3], 0 -11 -18]] [3 -18 11
Escapade 3.60 .138 .414 [1 2 2], 0 -9 7]] [32 -7 -9
Ditonic 3.68 .258 .792 [1 6 3], 0 -13 -2]] [-27 -2 13
Vishnuzmic 3.71 .0471 .145 [2 4 5], 0 -7 -3]] [23 6 -14
Vulture 3.81 .0576 .183 [1 0 -6], 0 4 21]] [24 -21 4
Trisedodge 3.87 .336 1.08 [5 1 7], 0 3 2]] [19 10 -15
4.00 .157 .524 [1 4 -1], 0 -8 11]] [-36 11 8

Tunings

5-limit norm-based tunings
Manhattan Euclidean Chebyshevian
Constrained Constrained & skewed
Equilateral CEOP: ~3/2 = 697.654 ¢
(1/5-comma)
CEE: ~3/2 = 696.895 ¢
(4/17-comma)
CSEE: ~3/2 = 696.453 ¢
(11/43-comma)
CEC: ~3/2 = 696.578 ¢
(1/4-comma)
Tenney CTOP: ~3/2 = 698.020 ¢ CTE: ~3/2 = 697.214 ¢ CWE: ~3/2 = 696.651 ¢ CTC: ~3/2 = 696.578 ¢
(1/4-comma)
Benedetti,
Wilson
CBOP: ~3/2 = 698.160 ¢
(3/17-comma)
CBE: ~3/2 = 697.374 ¢
(36/169-comma)
CSBE: ~3/2 = 696.787 ¢
(31/129-comma)
CBC: ~3/2 = 696.578 ¢
(1/4-comma)
7-limit norm-based tunings
Manhattan Euclidean Chebyshevian
Constrained Constrained & skewed
Equilateral CEOP: ~3/2 = 697.344 ¢ CEE: ~3/2 = 696.884 ¢ CSEE: ~3/2 = 696.725 ¢ CEC: ~3/2 = 696.883 ¢
Tenney CTOP: ~3/2 = 696.646 ¢ CTE: ~3/2 = 696.952 ¢ CWE: ~3/2 = 696.656 ¢ CTC: ~3/2 = 696.883 ¢
Benedetti,
Wilson
CBOP: ~3/2 = 697.842 ¢ CBE: ~3/2 = 697.015 ¢ CSBE: ~3/2 = 696.631 ¢ CBC: ~3/2 = 696.883 ¢

Temperament pages

Note:

  1. Order: subgroup, comma list, mapping, mapping generators, (subgroup-val mapping, gencom mapping), lattice basis, optimal tunings (WE and CWE), minimax tuning, tuning ranges, algebraic generator (?), optimal ET sequence, badness, complexity spectrum, and others.
  2. Comma list should be the Tenney-minimal commas sufficient to define the temperament, stated in Normal lists #Normal interval list.
  3. Mapping generators should show all the ratios as used in the mapping, including the period.
  4. For subgroup temperaments, "mapping" becomes "subgroup-val mapping" and "gencom mapping"".
  • If the subgroup is trivial, simply show "WE"/"CWE", otherwise show "subgroup/inharmonic WE/CWE" instead.
  1. Cent symbol in tunings.
  2. Since minimax tunings are based on tonality diamonds, it should explicitly state the odd limit, or a diamond function of ratios.
  3. Algebraic generators are to be discussed later.

Get a family for:

  • Ripple (3 different 7-limit extensions) done
  • Smate (2 different 7-limit extensions) done
  • Passion (4 different 7-limit extensions, 3 strong and 1 weak) done
  • Undim done
  • Quintaleap done
  • Quindromeda done
  • Parakleismic (many reasonable but unnamed 7-limit extensions)
  • Schismatic rank three family (perhaps)

Progress:

Regular temperament properties

Subgroup Comma List Mapping Optimal
8ve Stretch (¢)
Tuning Error
Absolute (¢) Relative (%)
2.3 [-49 31 [31 49]] +1.63 1.64 4.22
2.3.5 81/80, 393216/390625 [31 49 72]] +0.98 1.63 4.20
2.3.5.7 81/80, 126/125, 1029/1024 [31 49 72 87]] +0.83 1.43 3.70
2.3.5.7.11 81/80, 99/98, 121/120, 126/125 [31 49 72 87 107]] +1.21 1.49 3.84

Scale tree

6-tone
1L 5s, 2L 4s, 3L 3s, 4L 2s, 5L 1s
7-tone
1L 6s, 2L 5s, 3L 4s, 4L 3s, 5L 2s, 6L 1s
8-tone
1L 7s, 2L 6s, 3L 5s, 4L 4s, 5L 3s, 6L 2s, 7L 1s
9-tone
1L 8s, 2L 7s, 3L 6s, 4L 5s, 5L 4s, 6L 3s, 7L 2s, 8L 1s
10-tone
1L 9s, 2L 8s, 3L 7s, 4L 6s, 5L 5s, 6L 4s, 7L 3s, 8L 2s, 9L 1s
11-tone
1L 10s, 2L 9s, 3L 8s, 4L 7s, 5L 6s, 6L 5s, 7L 4s, 8L 3s, 9L 2s, 10L 1s
12-tone
1L 11s, 2L 10s, 3L 9s, 4L 8s, 5L 7s, 6L 6s, 7L 5s, 8L 4s, 9L 3s, 10L 2s, 11L 1s