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Unlike [[mothra]], which flattens the fifth to a [[meantone]] fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of [[41edo]] to that of [[46edo]]. As a result, the [[256/243|diatonic minor second]] is compressed, and the interval known as the [[quark]], which represents [[49/48]], [[64/63]], and in rodan also [[81/80]], is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the [[MOS scale]]s of rodan [[cluster MOS|cluster]] even more strongly around [[5edo]], although this can be thought of as an advantage in that it simplifies the conceptualization of rodan's inventory of intervals; rather than directly using MOS scales, which are either extremely imbalanced or overly large, an approach to rodan may involve picking and choosing which intervals from each [[pentatonic]] category to keep in the scale.
Unlike [[mothra]], which flattens the fifth to a [[meantone]] fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of [[41edo]] to that of [[46edo]]. As a result, the [[256/243|diatonic minor second]] is compressed, and the interval known as the [[quark]], which represents [[49/48]], [[64/63]], and in rodan also [[81/80]], is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the [[MOS scale]]s of rodan [[cluster MOS|cluster]] even more strongly around [[5edo]], although this can be thought of as an advantage in that it simplifies the conceptualization of rodan's inventory of intervals; rather than directly using MOS scales, which are either extremely imbalanced or overly large, an approach to rodan may involve picking and choosing which intervals from each [[pentatonic]] category to keep in the scale.


As for further extensions, slendric temperaments often find [[55/32]] at 4 generator steps (tempering out [[385/384]] and [[441/440]]), giving new interpretations to the quark as [[55/54]] and [[56/55]]; 55/32 is particularly accurate in the tuning subrange appropriate for rodan, and so harmonic 11 can easily be found at -13 generator steps. The diatonic minor third ([[32/27]]) in hemifamity temperaments represents the square root of [[7/5]], for which [[13/11]] is a good interpretation (tempering out [[352/351]] and [[847/845]]), which turns out to place harmonic 13 at -22 generator steps. Finally, [[17/13]] is a good interpretation of the slendric subfourth comprising two generators, otherwise equated to [[21/16]] (tempering out [[273/272]] and [833/832]]), and this places harmonic 17 at -20 generator steps. Thus proceeds the canonical extension of rodan out to the [[17-limit]].
As for further extensions, slendric temperaments often find [[55/32]] at 4 generator steps (tempering out [[385/384]] and [[441/440]]), giving new interpretations to the quark as [[55/54]] and [[56/55]]; 55/32 is particularly accurate in the tuning subrange appropriate for rodan, and so harmonic 11 can easily be found at -13 generator steps. The diatonic minor third ([[32/27]]) in hemifamity temperaments represents the square root of [[7/5]], for which [[13/11]] is a good interpretation (tempering out [[352/351]] and [[847/845]]), which turns out to place harmonic 13 at -22 generator steps. Finally, [[17/13]] is a good interpretation of the slendric subfourth comprising two generators, otherwise equated to [[21/16]] (tempering out [[273/272]] and [[833/832]]), and this places harmonic 17 at -20 generator steps. Thus proceeds the canonical extension of rodan out to the [[17-limit]].


See [[Gamelismic clan #Rodan]] for more information.  
See [[Gamelismic clan #Rodan]] for more information.  

Revision as of 00:04, 14 June 2025

Rodan is an extension of the slendric temperament, which divides 3/2 into three equal intervals representing 8/7 (tempering out the gamelisma, 1029/1024), to the full 7-limit such that 17 of these generators stack to reach the interval class of the 5th harmonic (5/4). It tempers out 245/243, making it a sensamagic temperament, so that 5/3 is divided into two intervals of 9/7; and it tempers out 5120/5103, making it also a hemifamity temperament, so that 9/8 stacks thrice into 10/7.

Unlike mothra, which flattens the fifth to a meantone fifth, the fifth of rodan is slightly sharp of just, ranging from that of 41edo to that of 46edo. As a result, the diatonic minor second is compressed, and the interval known as the quark, which represents 49/48, 64/63, and in rodan also 81/80, is even smaller than it is in tunings of slendric with a nearly just fifth. This entails that the MOS scales of rodan cluster even more strongly around 5edo, although this can be thought of as an advantage in that it simplifies the conceptualization of rodan's inventory of intervals; rather than directly using MOS scales, which are either extremely imbalanced or overly large, an approach to rodan may involve picking and choosing which intervals from each pentatonic category to keep in the scale.

As for further extensions, slendric temperaments often find 55/32 at 4 generator steps (tempering out 385/384 and 441/440), giving new interpretations to the quark as 55/54 and 56/55; 55/32 is particularly accurate in the tuning subrange appropriate for rodan, and so harmonic 11 can easily be found at -13 generator steps. The diatonic minor third (32/27) in hemifamity temperaments represents the square root of 7/5, for which 13/11 is a good interpretation (tempering out 352/351 and 847/845), which turns out to place harmonic 13 at -22 generator steps. Finally, 17/13 is a good interpretation of the slendric subfourth comprising two generators, otherwise equated to 21/16 (tempering out 273/272 and 833/832), and this places harmonic 17 at -20 generator steps. Thus proceeds the canonical extension of rodan out to the 17-limit.

See Gamelismic clan #Rodan for more information.

Interval chain

In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–21 are in bold.

# Cents* Approximate ratios
13-limit 17-limit extension
0 0.000 1/1
1 234.482 8/7
2 468.964 21/16 17/13
3 703.446 3/2
4 937.929 12/7
5 1172.411 63/32, 160/81
6 206.893 9/8
7 441.375 9/7 22/17
8 675.857 40/27
9 910.339 22/13, 27/16, 33/28
10 1144.821 27/14, 35/18, 64/33 33/17
11 179.304 10/9
12 413.786 14/11, 33/26, 80/63
13 648.268 16/11
14 882.750 5/3
15 1117.232 21/11, 40/21
16 151.714 12/11
17 386.196 5/4
18 620.679 10/7
19 855.161 18/11, 64/39 28/17
20 1089.643 15/8 32/17
21 124.125 14/13, 15/14
22 358.607 16/13, 27/22 21/17
23 593.088 45/32 24/17
24 827.570 21/13
25 1062.052 24/13

* In 13-limit POTE tuning

Notation

A notation for rodan is listed in the notation guide for rank-2 pergens under pergen #8, (P8, P5/3). The generator is an upmajor 2nd. The enharmonic unison is a trudminor 2nd. Thus three ups equals a diatonic semitone, and three generators equals a perfect 5th. In rodan in particular, ^1 equals ~81/80 and ~64/63, and ^^1 equals ~33/32 and ~1053/1024.

Rodan nomenclature
for selected intervals
Ratio Nominal Example
3/2 Perfect fifth C−G
5/4 Downmajor third C−vE
7/4 Downminor seventh C−vB♭
11/8 Dup fourth C−^^F
13/8 Dupminor sixth C−^^A♭

Rodan's notation has much in common with that for 41edo and 46edo, since both edos map a minor 2nd to three edosteps. It also resembles the notation for cassandra. All four notations notate the slendric tetrad (1–8/7–21/16–3/2) on C as C–^D–vF–G, and all four notations notate 5/4, 7/4, 11/8, and 13/8 as in the table above. But the notations diverge for other intervals, such as 11/10.

Chords

Scales

Tunings

Tuning spectrum

Edo
generator
Eigenmonzo
(unchanged-interval)
Generator (¢) Comments
7/4 231.174
17/13 232.214
7/6 232.282
21\36 233.333 36cfg val, lower bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone
9/7 233.583
3/2 233.985
24\41 234.146 Lower bound of 11- to 17-odd-limit diamond monotone
15/14 234.259
7/5 234.305 7- and 9-odd-limit minimax
11/9 234.347 11-odd-limit minimax
75\128 234.375 128g val
13/9 234.407 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax
15/8 234.413
11/6 234.415
15/11 234.453
13/12 234.457
15/13 234.470
51\87 234.483
5/4 234.489 5-odd-limit minimax
11/10 234.500
13/10 234.507
11/8 234.514
13/8 234.521
13/11 234.532
17/9 234.575 17-odd-limit minimax
17/15 234.583
78\133 234.586
5/3 234.597
17/10 234.631
17/12 234.652
17/16 234.752
9/5 234.764
27\46 234.783 Upper bound of 11- to 17-odd-limit diamond monotone
11/7 234.792
3\5 240.000 5f val, upper bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone

Music

Gene Ward Smith