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== Interval chains ==
== Interval chains ==
; Archy (2.3.7)
; Archy (2.3.7)
 
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! #
! Cents
! Approximate Ratios
|-
|-
| 1146.61
| 437.29
| 927.97
| 218.64
| 709.32
| 0
| 0
| 490.68
| 0.0
| 981.36
| '''1/1'''
| 272.03
| 762.71
| 53.39
|-
|-
| 1
| 709.3
| '''3/2'''
|-
| 2
| 218.6
| '''8/7''', '''9/8'''
|-
| 3
| 928.0
| 12/7
|-
| 4
| 437.3
| 9/7
|-
| 5
| 1146.6
| 27/14
| 27/14
| 9/7
| 12/7
| 9/8~8/7
| 3/2
| 1/1
| 4/3
| 7/4~16/9
| 7/6
| 14/9
| 28/27
|}
|}


; Full 7-limit superpyth
; Full 7-limit superpyth
 
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! #
! Cents
! Approximate Ratios
|-
|-
| 613.20
| 1102.91
| 392.62
| 882.33
| 172.04
| 661.75
| 1151.46
| 441.16
| 930.87
| 220.58
| 710.29
| 0
| 0
| 489.71
| 0.0
| 979.42
| '''1/1'''
| 269.13
|-
| 758.84
| 1
| 48.54
| 710.3
| 538.25
| '''3/2'''
| 1027.96
|-
| 317.67
| 2
| 807.38
| 220.6
| 97.09
| '''8/7''', '''9/8'''
| 586.80
|-
| 3
| 930.9
| 12/7
|-
|-
| 4
| 441.2
| 9/7
|-
| 5
| 1151.5
| 27/14
|-
| 6
| 661.7
| 40/27
|-
| 7
| 172.0
| 10/9
|-
| 8
| 882.3
| 5/3
|-
| 9
| 392.6
| '''5/4'''
|-
| 10
| 1102.9
| 15/8
|-
| 11
| 613.2
| 10/7
| 10/7
| 15/8
| 5/4
| 5/3
| 10/9
|
| 27/14
| 9/7
| 12/7
| 9/8~8/7
| 3/2
| 1/1
| 4/3
| 7/4~16/9
| 7/6
| 14/9
| 28/27
|
| 9/5
| 6/5
| 8/5
| 16/15
| 7/5
|}
|}


; Supra (2.3.7.11)
; Supra (2.3.7.11)
 
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! #
! Cents
! Approximate Ratios
|-
|-
| 857.54
| 150.35
| 643.15
| 1135.96
| 428.77
| 921.58
| 214.38
| 707.19
| 0
| 0
| 492.81
| 0.0
| 985.62
| '''1/1'''
| 278.42
|-
| 771.23
| 1
| 64.04
| 707.2
| 556.85
| '''3/2'''
| 1049.65
|-
| 342.46
| 2
| 214.4
| '''8/7''', '''9/8'''
|-
| 3
| 921.6
| 12/7
|-
| 4
| 428.8
| 9/7, 14/11
|-
| 5
| 1136.0
| 27/14, 64/33
|-
| 6
| 643.2
| '''16/11'''
|-
| 7
| 150.4
| 12/11
|-
|-
| 8
| 857.5
| 18/11
| 18/11
| 12/11
| 16/11
| 27/14
| 14/11~9/7
| 12/7
| 9/8~8/7
| 3/2
| 1/1
| 4/3
| 7/4~16/9
| 7/6
| 14/9~11/7
| 33/32~28/27
| 11/8
| 11/6
| 11/9
|}
|}


; Full 11-limit suprapyth
; Full 11-limit suprapyth
 
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! #
! Cents
! Approximate Ratios
|-
|-
| 604.44
| 1094.94
| 385.45
| 875.96
| 166.46
| 656.97
| 1147.47
| 437.98
| 928.48
| 218.99
| 709.49
| 0
| 0
| 490.51
| 0.0
| 981.01
| '''1/1'''
| 271.52
|-
| 762.02
| 1
| 52.53
| 709.5
| 543.03
| '''3/2'''
| 1033.54
|-
| 324.04
| 2
| 814.55
| 219.0
| 105.06
| '''8/7''', '''9/8'''
| 595.56
|-
| 3
| 928.5
| 12/7
|-
| 4
| 438.0
| 9/7, 14/11
|-
| 5
| 1147.5
| 27/14, 64/33
|-
| 6
| 657.0
| '''16/11''', 40/27
|-
| 7
| 166.5
| 10/9, 12/11
|-
| 8
| 876.0
| 5/3, 18/11
|-
| 9
| 385.4
| '''5/4''', 27/22
|-
| 10
| 1094.9
| 15/8
|-
|-
| 11
| 604.4
| 10/7
| 10/7
| 15/8
| 5/4
| 18/11~5/3
| 12/11~10/9
| 16/11
| 27/14
| 14/11~9/7
| 12/7
| 9/8~8/7
| 3/2
| 1/1
| 4/3
| 7/4~16/9
| 7/6
| 14/9~11/7
| 33/32~28/27
| 11/8
| 9/5~11/6
| 6/5~11/9
| 8/5
| 16/15
| 7/5
|}
|}



Revision as of 05:40, 10 July 2024

Superpyth is a temperament of the archytas clan where ~3/2 is a generator, and the Archytas comma 64/63 is tempered out, so a stack of two generators octave-reduced represents 8/7 in addition to 9/8 (in other words, intervals such as A–G and C–B♭ are harmonic sevenths). Since 3/2 is a generator we can use the same standard chain-of-fifths notation that is also used for meantone and 12edo, with the understanding that sharps are sharper than flats (for example, A♯ is sharper than B♭) just like in Pythagorean tuning, in contrast to meantone where sharps are flatter than or equal to the corresponding flats. The plastic number has a value of ~486.822 cents, which, taken as a generator (~4/3) and assuming an octave period, constitutes a variety of superpyth. This can be explained since superpyth equates 21/16 and 4/3, making the 9:12:16:21 chord evenly spaced by ~4/3, and when keeping ~9 + ~12 = ~21 the generator becomes the plastic number.

Such a temperament without the 5th harmonic is also called archy. If intervals of 5 are desired, it is mapped to +9 generators through tempering out 245/243, so C-D♯ is 5/4. So superpyth is the "opposite" of septimal meantone in several different ways: Meantone (including 12edo) has 3/2 tuned flat so that the 5th harmonic's intervals are simple and the 7th harmonic's intervals are complex, while superpyth has 3/2 tuned sharp so that the 7th harmonic's intervals are simple while the 5th harmonic's intervals are complex.

If intervals of 11 are desired, the canonical way is to map 11/8 to +16 generators, or a doubly-augmented second (C–D𝄪), tempering out 100/99. Yet a simpler but reasonable way is to map it to −6 generators, or a diminished fifth (C–G♭), by tempering out 99/98. The latter is called supra, or suprapyth. The two mappings unite on 22edo.

If intervals of 13 are desired, 13/8 is mapped to +13 generators, or a doubly-augmented fourth (C–F𝄪), by tempering out 31213/31104.

Mos scales of superpyth have cardinalities of 5, 7, 12, 17, or 22.

For more technical data, see Archytas clan #Superpyth.

Interval chains

Archy (2.3.7)
# Cents Approximate Ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 709.3 3/2
2 218.6 8/7, 9/8
3 928.0 12/7
4 437.3 9/7
5 1146.6 27/14
Full 7-limit superpyth
# Cents Approximate Ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 710.3 3/2
2 220.6 8/7, 9/8
3 930.9 12/7
4 441.2 9/7
5 1151.5 27/14
6 661.7 40/27
7 172.0 10/9
8 882.3 5/3
9 392.6 5/4
10 1102.9 15/8
11 613.2 10/7
Supra (2.3.7.11)
# Cents Approximate Ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 707.2 3/2
2 214.4 8/7, 9/8
3 921.6 12/7
4 428.8 9/7, 14/11
5 1136.0 27/14, 64/33
6 643.2 16/11
7 150.4 12/11
8 857.5 18/11
Full 11-limit suprapyth
# Cents Approximate Ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 709.5 3/2
2 219.0 8/7, 9/8
3 928.5 12/7
4 438.0 9/7, 14/11
5 1147.5 27/14, 64/33
6 657.0 16/11, 40/27
7 166.5 10/9, 12/11
8 876.0 5/3, 18/11
9 385.4 5/4, 27/22
10 1094.9 15/8
11 604.4 10/7

Scales

5-note MOS (2L 3s, proper)
  • Archy5 – archy in 472edo tuning
7-note MOS (5L 2s, improper)
  • Archy7 – archy in 472edo tuning
  • Supra7 – supra in 56edo tuning

In contrast to the meantone diatonic scale, the superpyth diatonic is improper.

12-note MOS (5L 7s, borderline improper)
  • Archy12 – archy in 472edo tuning
  • Supra12 – supra in 56edo tuning
  • 12-22a – superpyth in 22edo tuning

The boundary of propriety is 17edo.

Tunings

Prime-optimized tunings

2.3.7 Subgroup Prime-Optimized Tunings
Weight-skew\Order Euclidean
Tenney CTE: ~3/2 = 709.5948¢
Weil CWE: ~3/2 = 709.3901¢
Equilateral CEE: ~3/2 = 712.8606¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.49/3 (2/5-comma tuning)
Skewed-equilateral CSEE: ~3/2 = 711.9997¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.823543/243 (7/19-comma tuning)
Benedetti/Wilson CBE: ~3/2 = 707.7286¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.[0 -49 0 18 (18/85-comma tuning)
Skewed-Benedetti/Wilson CSBE: ~3/2 = 707.9869¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.[0 -63 25 (25/113-comma tuning)
7-limit Prime-Optimized Tunings
Weight-skew\Order Euclidean
Tenney CTE: ~3/2 = 709.5907¢
Weil CWE: ~3/2 = 710.1193¢
Equilateral CEE: ~3/2 = 709.7805¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.5859375/49
Skewed-equilateral CSEE: ~3/2 = 710.2428¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.[0 3 -37 18
Benedetti/Wilson CBE: ~3/2 = 709.4859¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.[0 -1225 -3969 450
Skewed-Benedetti/Wilson CSBE: ~3/2 = 710.0321¢
Eigenmonzo basis (unchanged-interval basis): 2.[0 665 -15771 5160

Tuning spectrum

Edo
Generator
Eigenmonzo
(Unchanged-interval)
Generator
(¢)
Comments
3/2 701.955 Pythagorean tuning
10\17 705.882 Lower bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone
81/56 706.499 1/6 comma
27/14 707.408 1/5 comma
23\39 707.692
9/7 708.771 1/4 comma, {1, 3, 7, 9} minimax
15/8 708.807
13\22 709.091
5/4 709.590 9-odd-limit minimax
49/27 709.745 2/7 comma
15/14 709.954
25/24 710.040
29\49 710.204
5/3 710.545
7/5 710.681 7-odd-limit minimax
7/6 711.043 1/3 comma, {1, 3, 7} minimax
16\27 711.111
21/20 711.553
9/5 711.772
19\32 712.500
49/48 712.861 2/5 comma, 2.3.7 subgroup CEE tuning
22\37 713.514
25\42 714.286
7/4 715.587 1/2 comma
3\5 720.000 Upper bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone
21/16 729.219 Full comma

Music

Lillian Hearne

Both in 22edo tuning

Joel Grant Taylor

All in superpyth[12] in 22edo tuning.

See also