11859211/11859210: Difference between revisions

Eufalesio (talk | contribs)
Birth
 
Simpler pump. No extra factors introduced.
 
(6 intermediate revisions by 3 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Infobox Interval|Name=tredekisma|Color name=quadno-athoquadlu-azogu 4th, 19o^43o1u^4zg4, Quadno-athoquadlu-azogu comma,|Sound=|Comma=yes}}11859211/11859210, the ''tredekisma'', is the smallest [[superparticular ratio]] in the [[19-limit]] and [[23-limit]].
{{Infobox Interval
| Name = tredekisma
| Color name = quadno-athoquadlu-azogu 4th, <br>19o^43o1u^4zg4, <br>Quadno-athoquadlu-azogu comma
| Sound =  
| Comma = yes
}}
'''11859211/11859210''', the '''tredekisma''', is the smallest [[superparticular ratio]] in the [[19-limit]] and [[23-limit]].


It can be seen as the differencebetween a stack of a [[25/16]] plus a [[minisma]] plus a [[131072/130321|Saquadnu comma]], and a [[1024/729|diminished fifth]] plus two [[128/121|Axirabian limmas]]:
It can be seen as the difference between a stack of four [[38/33]]'s and a stack consisting of [[10/7]] and [[16/13]]: (38/33)<sup>4</sup>/((10/7)⋅(16/13)).


(25/16)(4096/4095)(131072/130321)÷(1024/729)(128/121)^2
A possible S-expression of it is (S76⋅S441)/(S77⋅S324).


== Temperaments ==
== Temperaments ==
Only being 0.00014 cents, it is an insanely, unfathomably narrow comma; hundreds of times narrower than well known atomic commas like the [[Chalmersia]] and the [[Kirnberger's atom]]. As such, tempering out or fudging this either way are aurally identical to JI to human ears. It is notably tempered out in [[270edo]] thanks to its very well approximated 2.3.5.7.11.13.19, hence its name; also tempered out in other edos like {{EDOs|94, 118, 152, 364}}, among others.
Only being 0.00014 cents, it is an insanely, unfathomably narrow comma; hundreds of times narrower than well known atomic commas like the [[chalmersia]] and [[Kirnberger's atom]]. As such, tempering out or fudging this alone either way is aurally identical to JI to human ears. It is tempered out in notable edos like {{EDOs| 24, 84, 94, 118, 152, 176, 364, 388, 624, 742, 3125, 8269, 8539, }} among others. It is also tempered out in any union between these edos, such as [[vishnu]] and [[gariwizmic]].


=== Tredekic ===
=== Tredekic ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19
{| class="right-all"
{| class="right-all"
|[⟨
| [⟨ || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || ],
|1
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || ],
|0
|1
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || ],
|0
|0
|1
|0
|0
|1
|0
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 3 || -1 || ],
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|3
| -1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 1 || ],
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || -4 || 1 || ]]
|0
|0
|0
|0
|0
| -4
|1
|]]
|}
|}
mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~133/33
* mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~133/33


[[Optimal tuning|Optimal tunings]]: TBA
[[Optimal tuning]]s: TBA


{{Optimal ET sequence|TBA|legend=1}}
{{Optimal ET sequence||legend=1|TBA }}


[[Badness]] (Sintel): TBA
[[Badness]] (Sintel): TBA
Line 82: Line 40:
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
{| class="right-all"
{| class="right-all"
|[⟨
| [⟨ || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 |],
|1
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|0
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || ],
|0
|1
|0
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || ],
|0
|0
|1
|0
|0
|1
|0
|0
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 3 || 0 || -1 || ],
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|3
|0
| -1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 1 || ],
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|0
|1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || -4 || 0 || 1 || ],
|0
|0
|0
|0
|0
| -4
|0
|1
|],
|-
|-
|⟨
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || ]]
|0
|0
|0
|0
|0
|0
|1
|0
|]]
|}
|}
mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~17, ~133/33
* mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~17, ~133/33


[[Optimal tuning|Optimal tunings]]: TBA
[[Optimal tuning]]s: TBA


{{Optimal ET sequence|TBA|legend=1}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|TBA}}


[[Badness]] (Sintel): TBA
[[Badness]] (Sintel): TBA
== Etymology ==
This comma was named by [[Eufalesio]] in 2026. The name ''tredekisma'' comes from ''tredek'', which is the name of one step of [[270edo]] by [[Joseph Monzo]], and 270edo is an excellent 2.3.5.7.11.13.19-subgroup system that tempers it out.
[[Category:Commas named for their regular temperament properties]]