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'''17/15'''
{{Infobox Interval
|0 -1 -1 0 0 0 1>
| Name = diatismic whole tone
| Color name = 17og3, sogu 3rd
| Sound = jid_17_15_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
}}


216.6867 cents
In [[17-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''17/15''' is the '''diatismic whole tone''' measuring about 216.7{{cent}}. It exceeds the [[9/8|Pythagorean whole tone (9/8)]] by a [[136/135|diatisma (136/135)]], hence the name. It is the [[mediant]] of 9/8 and [[8/7]], as it is (9 + 8)/(8 + 7). It is found in the [[harmonic series]] between the 17th and 15th [[harmonic]]s. [[11edo]]'s second degree, measuring approximately 218.2¢, is close in size to 17/15 – indeed, the 11edo system has excellent approximations of the 15th and 17th harmonics, and so this harmonic function is plausible in 11edo.


[[File:jid_17_15_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3]] [[:File:jid_17_15_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3|sound sample]]
√2/(17/15) is three cents flat of a 5/4 major third, and this or 17/15 itself can be used for a tuning for [[wizard]] and its various relatives (lizard, gizzard, etc.).
== Approximation ==
{{Interval edo approximation|17/15}}
== See also ==


In [[17-limit|17-limit]] [[Just_intonation|Just Intonation]], 17/15 is the "septendecimal whole tone" measuring about 216.7¢. It is the [[mediant|mediant]] between [[9/8|9/8]] and [[8/7|8/7]], as it is (9+8)/(8+7). It is found in the [[OverToneSeries|harmonic series]] between the 17th and 15th overtones. [[11edo|11edo]]'s second degree, measuring approximately 218.2¢, is close in size to 17/15 -- indeed, the 11edo system has excellent approximations of the 15th and 17th harmonics, and so this harmonic function is plausible in 11edo.
* [[30/17]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[20/17]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]


√2/(17/15) is three cents flat of a 5/4 major third, and this or 17/15 itself can be used for a tuning for wizard and its various relatives (lizard, gizzard, etc.).
[[Category:Second]]
 
[[Category:Whole tone]]
See: [[Gallery_of_Just_Intervals|Gallery of Just Intervals]]      [[Category:17-limit]]
[[Category:Diatismic]]
[[Category:just_interval]]
[[Category:sound_example]]

Latest revision as of 13:02, 3 November 2025

Interval information
Ratio 17/15
Factorization 3-1 × 5-1 × 17
Monzo [0 -1 -1 0 0 0 1
Size in cents 216.6867¢
Name diatismic whole tone
Color name 17og3, sogu 3rd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{d3}^{17}_{5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 7.99435
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 8.17493
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 25

[sound info]
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In 17-limit just intonation, 17/15 is the diatismic whole tone measuring about 216.7 ¢. It exceeds the Pythagorean whole tone (9/8) by a diatisma (136/135), hence the name. It is the mediant of 9/8 and 8/7, as it is (9 + 8)/(8 + 7). It is found in the harmonic series between the 17th and 15th harmonics. 11edo's second degree, measuring approximately 218.2¢, is close in size to 17/15 – indeed, the 11edo system has excellent approximations of the 15th and 17th harmonics, and so this harmonic function is plausible in 11edo.

√2/(17/15) is three cents flat of a 5/4 major third, and this or 17/15 itself can be used for a tuning for wizard and its various relatives (lizard, gizzard, etc.).

Approximation

Edo approximations for 17/15 (216.69 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
5 1\5 240.00 +23.31 +9.71
6 1\6 200.00 -16.69 -8.34
11 2\11 218.18 +1.50 +1.37
17 3\17 211.76 -4.92 -6.97
22 4\22 218.18 +1.50 +2.74
28 5\28 214.29 -2.40 -5.60
33 6\33 218.18 +1.50 +4.11
39 7\39 215.38 -1.30 -4.23
44 8\44 218.18 +1.50 +5.48
50 9\50 216.00 -0.69 -2.86
55 10\55 218.18 +1.50 +6.85
61 11\61 216.39 -0.29 -1.49
66 12\66 218.18 +1.50 +8.22
67 12\67 214.93 -1.76 -9.83
72 13\72 216.67 -0.02 -0.12
77 14\77 218.18 +1.50 +9.59
78 14\78 215.38 -1.30 -8.46

See also