Talk:Meantone family
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Errors in edolists
The edolists are very flawed. How is 53edo a dominant meantone?! PiotrGrochowski (info, talk, contribs) 15:59, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Typo in Septimal Meantone section?
In the Septimal Meantone section, it says that nine fifths are needed to reach the interval for 7, C ~ A#. I count ten fifths, and so does the Wikipedia article on Septimal Meantone Temperament.
| Note | Fifthspan |
|---|---|
| C | 0 |
| G | 1 |
| D | 2 |
| A | 3 |
| E | 4 |
| B | 5 |
| F# | 6 |
| C# | 7 |
| G# | 8 |
| D# | 9 |
| A# | 10 |
Edit: And the table in the Meantone vs Meanpop page also says ten fifths for C - A#.
Are we missing something?
Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 02:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Sharptone?
Still trying to figure out why sharptone exists as a septimal extension to meantone, when the only EDO it seems to really work for (that is, without a 'd' wart) is 5EDO, and then the other equal temperaments listed under it are 12d and 7d (the latter being way over on the flat end of the usable meantone tuning spectrum); meanwhile, Dominant also works for 5EDO, since B♭ is enharmonic to A in 5EDO. Seems like this name should have been saved for a more useful subset of the sharp approximate half of the meantone tuning spectrum. Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 12:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Commas listed in Extensions?
Shouldn't the commas listed under Extensions also appear in the comma lists of the respective sub-temperaments listed later on? Lucius Chiaraviglio (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
“Meantone” ≠ “Septimal meantone”
I've noticed that in various parts of the wiki, “meantone” is sometimes used without qualification to refer to both conventional 5-limit meantone, which would include tunings across the spectrum, such as 12edo, 19edo, 31edo, 43edo, 50edo, and so on; and to septimal meantone, which is rather poorly tuned compared to the 5-limit in most of those (31edo and quarter-comma meantone being the exceptions).
In some cases, this is a mere abuse of terminology, intended to convey some observation about quarter-comma meantone in particular in a succinct way. However, in other cases it is a bait and switch: “meantone” is first introduced as a historical basis of music theory, and then it is claimed that in “meantone” some chord is an essentially tempered chord, but on closer inspection it turns out that the two occurrences of “meantone” actually refer to different things (5-limit meantone and septimal meantone respectively).
To avoid this kind of ambiguity, I suggest that wiki pages should consistently use the phrase “septimal meantone”, rather than just “meantone”, when referring to concepts that require the septimal extension, including chords of septimal meantone, and should use “meantone” on its own only when referring to the conventional 5-limit form.