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* '''Sensa''' (19e & 27) – tempering out 55/54, 77/75, and 99/98 | * '''Sensa''' (19e & 27) – tempering out 55/54, 77/75, and 99/98 | ||
Another possible path which relates a sense of compromise is to temper out [[121/120]], leading to bisensi. This has the effect of slicing the octave in two, and is supported by [[38edo|38df]], 46, and [[54edo|54c]]. | Another possible path which relates a sense of compromise is to temper out [[121/120]], leading to bisensi. This has the effect of slicing the octave in two, and is supported by [[38edo|38df]], 46, and [[54edo|54c]]. | ||
=== Alternative harmony === | |||
If we take a look at the 5-limit version of sensi called [[sensipent]], we find a high-accuracy extension that specifically only requires prime 31, interpreting the generator accurately as [[~]][[40/31]][[~]][[31/24]] (by splitting [[16/15]] into [[~]][[32/31]][[~]][[31/30]]). This can be left as is, or one can extend to other slightly less accurate primes; the main two strategies for doing so are called [[sendai]], focusing on accuracy and adding primes 23 and 29, and [[sensible]], which adds primes 11, 17 and 23 and focuses on adding more primes, in both cases doing so while avoiding the less accurate [[~]][[9/7]] and [[~]][[13/10]] interpretations of the sensi generator. They merge meaningfully (though ''not'' uniquely) in [[65edo]], which can be seen by that [[65edo]] is an amazing no-7's no-13's [[31-limit]] temperament, where we've gained prime 19 through a possible extension of either sendai or sensible. Furthermore, [[65edo]] can also be used as a tuning of 7-limit sensi through the 65d [[val]] (which corresponds to 65edo roughly supporting [[garibaldi]]), though note that if one tries to use its patent but very sharp [[~]][[13/8|13]] (which makes the most sense if one accepts the 65d val) then [[13/10]] is mapped distinctly and sharp of the [[~]][[9/7]] sensi generator. | |||
== Interval chain == | == Interval chain == | ||
Revision as of 00:40, 26 October 2024
Sensi has multiple competing extensions to the 11-limit. The simplest 7-limit commas of sensi are starling (126/125) and sensamagic (245/243), and it can be viewed as the merge of the two corresponding rank-3 temperaments. These rank-3 temperaments are associated with distinct paths to the 11-limit. On one hand, starling strongly suggests tempering out 176/175, leading to thrush ({126/125, 176/175}), since 126/125 = (176/175)(441/440). On the other, sensamagic strongly suggests tempering out 385/384, leading to undecimal sensamagic ({245/243, 385/384}), since 245/243 = (385/384)(896/891). Taking either path for sensi leads us to one of the following entries:
- Sensor (19 & 27) – tempering out 126/125, 245/243, and 385/384
- Sensus (19e & 27e) – tempering out 126/125, 176/175, and 245/243
The two unite in 46et, where both 176/175 and 385/384, as well as their sum, 121/120, are tempered out. They can be extended to the 13- and 17-limit naturally by adding 91/90 and 154/153 to the comma list in this order. Then the generator represents 9/7, 13/10, and 22/17.
In addition, there are some low-complexity low-accuracy entries:
- Sensis (19 & 27e) – tempering out 56/55, 100/99, and 245/243
- Sensa (19e & 27) – tempering out 55/54, 77/75, and 99/98
Another possible path which relates a sense of compromise is to temper out 121/120, leading to bisensi. This has the effect of slicing the octave in two, and is supported by 38df, 46, and 54c.
Alternative harmony
If we take a look at the 5-limit version of sensi called sensipent, we find a high-accuracy extension that specifically only requires prime 31, interpreting the generator accurately as ~40/31~31/24 (by splitting 16/15 into ~32/31~31/30). This can be left as is, or one can extend to other slightly less accurate primes; the main two strategies for doing so are called sendai, focusing on accuracy and adding primes 23 and 29, and sensible, which adds primes 11, 17 and 23 and focuses on adding more primes, in both cases doing so while avoiding the less accurate ~9/7 and ~13/10 interpretations of the sensi generator. They merge meaningfully (though not uniquely) in 65edo, which can be seen by that 65edo is an amazing no-7's no-13's 31-limit temperament, where we've gained prime 19 through a possible extension of either sendai or sensible. Furthermore, 65edo can also be used as a tuning of 7-limit sensi through the 65d val (which corresponds to 65edo roughly supporting garibaldi), though note that if one tries to use its patent but very sharp ~13 (which makes the most sense if one accepts the 65d val) then 13/10 is mapped distinctly and sharp of the ~9/7 sensi generator.
Interval chain
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–21 are in bold.
| # | Cents* | Approximate Ratios | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sensi | Sensor | Sensis | Sensus | Sensa | ||
| 0 | 0.0 | 1/1 | ||||
| 1 | 443.4 | 9/7, 13/10, 22/17 | 14/11, 17/13 | |||
| 2 | 886.8 | 5/3 | 17/10, 18/11, 22/13, 28/17 | |||
| 3 | 130.2 | 13/12, 14/13, 15/14 | 12/11, 17/16 | 11/10, 18/17 | ||
| 4 | 573.6 | 7/5, 18/13 | 11/8, 24/17 | 15/11, 17/12 | ||
| 5 | 1017.0 | 9/5 | 20/11 | 11/6, 30/17 | ||
| 6 | 260.4 | 7/6, 15/13 | 13/11, 20/17 | |||
| 7 | 703.8 | 3/2 | 26/17 | |||
| 8 | 1147.2 | 27/14, 35/18 | ||||
| 9 | 390.6 | 5/4 | 14/11 | |||
| 10 | 834.0 | 13/8, 21/13 | 18/11, 28/17 | |||
| 11 | 77.4 | 21/20, 25/24 | 18/17 | 17/16 | ||
| 12 | 520.8 | 27/20 | 15/11 | 11/8 | ||
| 13 | 964.2 | 7/4 | 30/17 | |||
| 14 | 207.6 | 9/8 | 17/15 | |||
| 15 | 651.0 | 35/24 | 16/11 | 22/15 | ||
| 16 | 1094.5 | 15/8 | 32/17 | 17/9 | ||
| 17 | 337.9 | 39/32 | 11/9, 17/14 | |||
| 18 | 781.3 | 25/16 | 11/7 | |||
| 19 | 24.7 | 49/48, 65/64, 81/80 | ||||
| 20 | 468.1 | 21/16 | 17/13 | |||
| 21 | 911.5 | 27/16 | 17/10, 22/13 | |||
| 22 | 154.9 | 35/32 | 12/11 | 11/10 | ||
| 23 | 598.3 | 45/32 | 24/17 | 17/12 | ||
| 24 | 1041.7 | 117/64 | 20/11 | 11/6 | ||
| 25 | 285.1 | 75/64 | 13/11, 20/17 | |||
| 26 | 728.5 | 49/32 | 26/17 | |||
| 27 | 1171.9 | 63/32 | ||||
| 28 | 415.3 | 81/64 | 14/11 | |||
| 29 | 858.7 | 105/64 | 18/11, 28/17 | |||
| 30 | 102.1 | 135/128 | 18/17 | 17/16 | ||
| 31 | 545.5 | 175/128 | 15/11 | 11/8 | ||
| 32 | 988.9 | 225/128 | 30/17 | |||
* In 2.3.5.7.13.17/11 subgroup CTE tuning
Tuning spectra
Sensor
Gencom: [2 9/7; 91/90 126/125 169/168 385/384]
Gencom mapping: [⟨1 -1 -1 -2 9 0], ⟨0 7 9 13 -15 10]]
| Eigenmonzo (Unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|
| 9/7 | 435.084 | |
| 15/14 | 439.814 | |
| 18/13 | 440.846 | |
| 15/13 | 441.290 | |
| 6/5 | 442.179 | |
| 14/13 | 442.766 | |
| 5/4 | 442.924 | 5-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/15 | 443.017 | |
| 11/10 | 443.125 | |
| 15/11 | 443.127 | |
| 4/3 | 443.136 | 15-odd-limit minimax |
| 11/9 | 443.193 | |
| 12/11 | 443.211 | |
| 11/8 | 443.245 | |
| 14/11 | 443.482 | 11-odd-limit minimax |
| 10/9 | 443.519 | 9- and 13-odd-limit minimax |
| 13/11 | 443.568 | |
| 8/7 | 443.756 | 7-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/13 | 444.053 | |
| 7/6 | 444.478 | |
| 7/5 | 445.628 | |
| 13/12 | 446.191 | |
| 13/10 | 454.214 |
Sensis
Gencom: [2 9/7; 56/55 78/77 91/90 100/99]
Gencom mapping: [⟨1 -1 -1 -2 2 0], ⟨0 7 9 13 4 10]]
| Eigenmonzo (Unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|
| 9/7 | 435.084 | |
| 11/8 | 437.829 | |
| 15/14 | 439.814 | |
| 18/13 | 440.846 | |
| 15/13 | 441.290 | |
| 6/5 | 442.179 | |
| 14/13 | 442.766 | |
| 5/4 | 442.924 | 5-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/15 | 443.017 | |
| 4/3 | 443.136 | |
| 10/9 | 443.519 | 9-odd-limit minimax |
| 8/7 | 443.756 | 7- and 11-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/13 | 444.053 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax |
| 7/6 | 444.478 | |
| 15/11 | 444.746 | |
| 11/9 | 445.259 | |
| 7/5 | 445.628 | |
| 13/12 | 446.191 | |
| 14/11 | 446.390 | |
| 11/10 | 446.999 | |
| 13/11 | 448.202 | |
| 12/11 | 450.212 | |
| 13/10 | 454.214 |
Sensus
Gencom: [2 9/7; 91/90 126/125 169/168 352/351]
Gencom mapping: [⟨1 -1 -1 -2 -8 0], ⟨0 7 9 13 31 10]]
| Eigenmonzo (Unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|
| 9/7 | 435.084 | |
| 15/14 | 439.814 | |
| 18/13 | 440.846 | |
| 15/13 | 441.290 | |
| 6/5 | 442.179 | |
| 14/13 | 442.766 | |
| 5/4 | 442.924 | 5-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/15 | 443.017 | |
| 4/3 | 443.136 | |
| 13/11 | 443.371 | |
| 14/11 | 443.472 | |
| 10/9 | 443.519 | 9-odd-limit minimax |
| 11/8 | 443.591 | |
| 12/11 | 443.723 | |
| 8/7 | 443.756 | 7- and 11-odd-limit minimax |
| 11/10 | 443.864 | |
| 11/9 | 443.965 | |
| 16/13 | 444.053 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax |
| 15/11 | 444.203 | |
| 7/6 | 444.478 | |
| 7/5 | 445.628 | |
| 13/12 | 446.191 | |
| 13/10 | 454.214 |
Sensa
Gencom: [2 9/7; 55/54 66/65 77/75 143/140]
Gencom mapping: [⟨1 -1 -1 -2 -1 0], ⟨0 7 9 13 12 10]]
| Eigenmonzo (Unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|
| 14/11 | 417.508 | |
| 11/9 | 426.296 | |
| 15/11 | 434.238 | |
| 9/7 | 435.084 | |
| 15/14 | 439.814 | |
| 18/13 | 440.846 | |
| 15/13 | 441.290 | |
| 6/5 | 442.179 | |
| 14/13 | 442.766 | |
| 5/4 | 442.924 | 5-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/15 | 443.017 | |
| 4/3 | 443.136 | |
| 10/9 | 443.519 | 9-odd-limit minimax |
| 8/7 | 443.756 | 7- and 11-odd-limit minimax |
| 16/13 | 444.053 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax |
| 7/6 | 444.478 | |
| 7/5 | 445.628 | |
| 11/8 | 445.943 | |
| 13/12 | 446.191 | |
| 12/11 | 449.873 | |
| 13/10 | 454.214 | |
| 11/10 | 455.001 | |
| 13/11 | 455.395 |