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=== Temperament interpretations ===
=== Temperament interpretations ===
It is possible to construct no-twos [[rank-2 temperament]] interpretations of this scale, but it is difficult to interpret within commonly-studied [[no-twos subgroup temperaments|no-twos subgroup]]s like the 3.5.7 [[subgroup]] used for [[Bohlen-Pierce]]. Scales close to basic have an interpretation in the as-of-yet unnamed b12 & b5 temperament in the 3.13.17 subgroup, in which the generator (the stretched counterpart of the fifth) is ~[[17/9]] and a stack of 4 generators tritave-reduced (equivalent to the major third) is ~[[13/9]]. See also the page for [[12edt]]. Harder scales can be interpreted in [[Mintaka]] temperament in the 3.7.11 subgroup, which tempers out [[1331/1323]] so that the generator (the stretched counterpart of the fourth) is ~[[11/7]], a stack of 2 generators (equivalent to the minor seventh) is ~[[27/11]], and a stack of three generators (equivalent to the minor third) is ~[[9/7]].
It is possible to construct no-twos [[rank-2 temperament]] interpretations of this scale, but it is difficult to interpret within commonly-studied [[no-twos subgroup temperaments|no-twos subgroup]]s like the 3.5.7 [[subgroup]] used for [[Bohlen-Pierce]]. Two intervals that can serve as macrodiatonic generators are ~[[17/9]], which is just near [[19edt]] in the soft range, and ~[[21/11]] which is just near [[17edt]] in the hard range.
 
Very soft scales (in the range between [[26edt]] and [[45edt]], serving as a macro-[[flattone]]) can be interpreted in the 3.5.7.17 subgroup as [[no-twos subgroup temperaments#Mizar|Mizar]], in which the generator of a flattened ~17/9 stacks twice and tritave-reduces to [[25/21]], which generates [[Sirius]] temperament. Scales close to basic have an interpretation in the 3.13.17 subgroup, documented as [[no-twos subgroup temperaments#Sadalmelik|Sadalmelik]] in which the generator (the stretched counterpart of the fifth) is also ~17/9 and a stack of 4 generators tritave-reduced (equivalent to the major third) is ~[[13/9]]; see also the page for [[12edt]]. Harder scales can be interpreted in [[Mintaka]] temperament in the 3.7.11 subgroup, which tempers out [[1331/1323]] so that the dark generator (the stretched counterpart of the fourth) is ~[[11/7]], a stack of 2 generators (equivalent to the minor seventh) is ~[[27/11]], and a stack of three generators (equivalent to the minor third) is ~[[9/7]].


==Modes==
==Modes==

Revision as of 03:40, 11 October 2024

↖ 4L 1s⟨3/1⟩ ↑ 5L 1s⟨3/1⟩ 6L 1s⟨3/1⟩ ↗
← 4L 2s⟨3/1⟩ 5L 2s (3/1-equivalent) 6L 2s⟨3/1⟩ →
↙ 4L 3s⟨3/1⟩ ↓ 5L 3s⟨3/1⟩ 6L 3s⟨3/1⟩ ↘
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Scale structure
Step pattern LLLsLLs
sLLsLLL
Equave 3/1 (1902.0 ¢)
Period 3/1 (1902.0 ¢)
Generator size(edt)
Bright 4\7 to 3\5 (1086.8 ¢ to 1141.2 ¢)
Dark 2\5 to 3\7 (760.8 ¢ to 815.1 ¢)
Related MOS scales
Parent 2L 3s⟨3/1⟩
Sister 2L 5s⟨3/1⟩
Daughters 7L 5s⟨3/1⟩, 5L 7s⟨3/1⟩
Neutralized 3L 4s⟨3/1⟩
2-Flought 12L 2s⟨3/1⟩, 5L 9s⟨3/1⟩
Equal tunings(edt)
Equalized (L:s = 1:1) 4\7 (1086.8 ¢)
Supersoft (L:s = 4:3) 15\26 (1097.3 ¢)
Soft (L:s = 3:2) 11\19 (1101.1 ¢)
Semisoft (L:s = 5:3) 18\31 (1104.4 ¢)
Basic (L:s = 2:1) 7\12 (1109.5 ¢)
Semihard (L:s = 5:2) 17\29 (1114.9 ¢)
Hard (L:s = 3:1) 10\17 (1118.8 ¢)
Superhard (L:s = 4:1) 13\22 (1123.9 ¢)
Collapsed (L:s = 1:0) 3\5 (1141.2 ¢)

5L 2s⟨3/1⟩, also called triatonic, is a 3/1-equivalent (tritave-equivalent) moment of symmetry scale containing 5 large steps and 2 small steps, repeating every interval of 3/1 (1902.0 ¢). Generators that produce this scale range from 1086.8 ¢ to 1141.2 ¢, or from 760.8 ¢ to 815.1 ¢.

Name

The name triatonic was coined by CompactStar, and is a back-formation from "diatonic" with di- being interpreted as 2 (the octave) and replaced with tri- for 3 (the tritave). It is not an official name in TAMNAMS.

Theory

As a macrodiatonic scale

It is the macrodiatonic scale with the period of a tritave. This means it is a diatonic scale, but has octaves stretched out to the size of a tritave. Other intervals are also stretched in a way that makes the unrecognizable–them diatonic fifth is now the size of a major seventh. Interestingly, 19edt, an approximation of 12edo, has a tuning of this scale, meaning it contains both a diatonic scale (which approximates 12edo's diatonic scale) and a triatonic scale.

Temperament interpretations

It is possible to construct no-twos rank-2 temperament interpretations of this scale, but it is difficult to interpret within commonly-studied no-twos subgroups like the 3.5.7 subgroup used for Bohlen-Pierce. Two intervals that can serve as macrodiatonic generators are ~17/9, which is just near 19edt in the soft range, and ~21/11 which is just near 17edt in the hard range.

Very soft scales (in the range between 26edt and 45edt, serving as a macro-flattone) can be interpreted in the 3.5.7.17 subgroup as Mizar, in which the generator of a flattened ~17/9 stacks twice and tritave-reduces to 25/21, which generates Sirius temperament. Scales close to basic have an interpretation in the 3.13.17 subgroup, documented as Sadalmelik in which the generator (the stretched counterpart of the fifth) is also ~17/9 and a stack of 4 generators tritave-reduced (equivalent to the major third) is ~13/9; see also the page for 12edt. Harder scales can be interpreted in Mintaka temperament in the 3.7.11 subgroup, which tempers out 1331/1323 so that the dark generator (the stretched counterpart of the fourth) is ~11/7, a stack of 2 generators (equivalent to the minor seventh) is ~27/11, and a stack of three generators (equivalent to the minor third) is ~9/7.

Modes

The modes have step patterns which are the same as the modes of the diatonic scale.

Modes of 5L 2s⟨3/1⟩
UDP Cyclic
order
Step
pattern
6|0 1 LLLsLLs
5|1 5 LLsLLLs
4|2 2 LLsLLsL
3|3 6 LsLLLsL
2|4 3 LsLLsLL
1|5 7 sLLLsLL
0|6 4 sLLsLLL

Scale degrees

Scale degrees of the modes of 5L 2s⟨3/1⟩
UDP Cyclic
order
Step
pattern
Scale degree (mosdegree)
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
6|0 1 LLLsLLs Perf. Maj. Maj. Aug. Perf. Maj. Maj. Perf.
5|1 5 LLsLLLs Perf. Maj. Maj. Perf. Perf. Maj. Maj. Perf.
4|2 2 LLsLLsL Perf. Maj. Maj. Perf. Perf. Maj. Min. Perf.
3|3 6 LsLLLsL Perf. Maj. Min. Perf. Perf. Maj. Min. Perf.
2|4 3 LsLLsLL Perf. Maj. Min. Perf. Perf. Min. Min. Perf.
1|5 7 sLLLsLL Perf. Min. Min. Perf. Perf. Min. Min. Perf.
0|6 4 sLLsLLL Perf. Min. Min. Perf. Dim. Min. Min. Perf.

Notation

Being a macrodiatonic scale, it can notated using the traditional diatonic notation, if all intervals are reinterpreted as their stretched versions (like octaves as tritaves). However, this approach involves 1-based indexing for a non-diatonic MOS which is generally discouraged. Alternatively, a generic MOS notation may be used like diamond MOS notation, which enables 0-based indexing at the cost of obscuring the connection to the standard diatonic scale.

Scale tree

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