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The '''schismic-countercommatic equivalence continuum''' is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments which equate a number of [[32805/32768|schismas (32805/32768)]] with the [[41-comma|Pythagorean countercomma ({{monzo| 65 -41 }})]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[5-limit]] [[microtemperament]]s [[support]]ed by [[41edo]].
The '''schismic–countercommatic equivalence continuum''' is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments which equate a number of [[32805/32768|schismas (32805/32768)]] with the [[41-comma|Pythagorean countercomma ({{monzo| 65 -41 }})]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[5-limit]] [[microtemperament]]s [[support]]ed by [[41edo]].


All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (32805/32768)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ {{monzo| 65 -41 }}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[schismic]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 41edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is approximately 10.1575233481…, and temperaments having ''n'' near this value tend to be the most accurate ones.  
All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (32805/32768)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ {{monzo| 65 -41 }}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[schismic]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 41edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is approximately 10.1575233481…, and temperaments having ''n'' near this value tend to be the most accurate ones.  
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For a similar but perhaps more intuitive and practical concept, see [[Schismic-Pythagorean equivalence continuum]].
For a similar but perhaps more intuitive and practical concept, see [[Schismic–Pythagorean equivalence continuum]].


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Revision as of 16:17, 10 December 2024

The schismic–countercommatic equivalence continuum is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments which equate a number of schismas (32805/32768) with the Pythagorean countercomma ([65 -41⟩). This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all 5-limit microtemperaments supported by 41edo.

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (32805/32768)n ~ [65 -41⟩. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to schismic as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 41edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers out both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of n is approximately 10.1575233481…, and temperaments having n near this value tend to be the most accurate ones.

The Pythagorean countercomma is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 41edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, n equals the order of harmonic 5 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of steps to obtain the interval class of harmonic 3 in the generator chain. For example:

  • Cotoneum (n = 1) is generated by a fifth;
  • Newt (n = 2) splits its fifth in two;
  • Etc.

For a similar but perhaps more intuitive and practical concept, see Schismic–Pythagorean equivalence continuum.

Temperaments of integer n
n Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
-7 Merman 1121008359375 / 1099511627776 [-40 15 7⟩
-6 Ampersand 34171875 / 33554432 [-25 7 6⟩
-5 Magic 3125 / 3072 [-10 -1 5⟩
-4 Tetracot 20000 / 19683 [5 -9 4⟩
-3 Rodan 131072000 / 129140163 [20 -17 3⟩
-2 Hemififths 858993459200 / 847288609443 [35 -25 2⟩
-1 Kwai (32 digits) [50 -33 1⟩
0 Countercomp (40 digits) [65 -41⟩
1 Cotoneum (50 digits) [80 -49 -1⟩
2 Newt (58 digits) [95 -57 -2⟩
3 41 & 282 (68 digits) [110 -65 -3⟩
4 41 & 335 (76 digits) [125 -73 -4⟩
5 41 & 388 (86 digits) [140 -81 -5⟩
6 41 & 441 (94 digits) [155 -89 -6⟩
7 41 & 453 (104 digits) [170 -97 -7⟩
8 41 & 506 (112 digits) [185 -105 -8⟩
9 41 & 559 (122 digits) [200 -113 -9⟩
10 41 & 571 (130 digits) [215 -121 -10⟩
11 41 & 624 (140 digits) [-230 129 11⟩
12 41 & 677 (148 digits) [-245 137 12⟩
13 41 & 730 (158 digits) [-260 145 13⟩
… … … …
∞ Schismic 32805/32768 [-15 8 1⟩

Examples of temperaments with fractional values of n:

  • Septimin (n = -11/2 = -5.5)
  • Shibboleth (n = -9/2 = -4.5)
  • Pluto (n = -7/2 = -3.5)
  • 3737 & 5585 (n = 31/3 = 10.3)
  • 1277 & 2513 (n = 21/2 = 10.5)

Rodan (5-limit)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 131072000/129140163

Mapping: [⟨1 1 -1], ⟨0 3 17]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~729/640 = 234.528

Optimal ET sequence: 5, 31c, 36c, 41, 46, 87, 220, 307

Badness: 0.168264

Hemififths (5-limit)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 858993459200/847288609443

Mapping: [⟨1 1 -5], ⟨0 2 25]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~655360/531441 = 351.476

Optimal ET sequence: 41, 58, 99, 239, 338, 915b, 1253bc

Badness: 0.372848

Kwai (5-limit)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [50 -33 1⟩ = 5629499534213120/5559060566555523

Mapping: [⟨1 0 -50], ⟨0 1 33]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~3/2 = 702.630

Optimal ET sequence: 41, 111, 152

Badness: 0.636715

Countercomp

See also: Countercomp family and 41-comma

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [65 -41⟩

Mapping: [⟨41 65 0], ⟨0 0 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~5/4 = 386.668

Optimal ET sequence: 41, 123, 164, 205, 369, 574, 779, 2132bc

Badness: 0.934310

Cotoneum (5-limit)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [80 -49 -1⟩

Mapping: [⟨1 0 80], ⟨0 1 -49]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~3/2 = 702.315

Optimal ET sequence: 41, 135c, 176, 217, 475, 1167, 1642, 2117b

Badness: 1.240078

Newt (5-limit)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [95 -57 -2⟩

Mapping: [⟨1 1 19], ⟨0 2 -57]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~[47 -28 -1⟩ = 351.114

Optimal ET sequence: 41, 147c, 188, 229, 270, 1121, 1391, 1661, 1931, 3592bc, 5523bbc

Badness: 1.528465