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The head of the '''sycamore family''' is [[5-limit]] sycamore, which tempers out (25/24)<sup>6</sup>/(5/4) = {{monzo| -16 -6 11 }} = 48828125/47775744. The dual of the [[monzo]] is the [[wedgie]], {{multival| 11 6 -16 }}, which tells us that six classic chromatic semitone [[generator]]s give 5/4 (and hence five 6/5) and eleven give 3/2. [[94edo|94EDO]] [[support]]s sycamore, and 5\94 is recommendable as a generator. It can be described as the 19&amp;94 temperament, and uses a decidedly flat version of the chromatic semitone as a generator. [[MOS]] of 18 or 19 notes to the octave give enough room for sycamore's triads, but 37 notes can be tried by the adventurous.
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The '''sycamore family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] tempers out the [[sycamore comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -16 -6 11 }}, [[ratio]]: 48828125/47775744).  


Another possible tuning uses a generator which is a pure 3/2 divided into 11 parts, and this makes the generator chain of sycamore exactly the same as [[Carlos Beta]]. In fact, Carlos Beta is characterized by Carlos as taking five steps to reach 6/5 and six to reach 5/4, which means it tempers out the sycamore comma. It can be described as the generator chain of sycamore, or sycamore can be called Carlos Beta with octaves.
== Sycamore ==
The head of this family is [[5-limit]] sycamore. Its [[generator]] is a [[25/24|classic chromatic semitone]], and stacking six of these gives 5/4 (and hence five 6/5) and eleven give 3/2. [[94edo]] [[support]]s sycamore, and 5\94 is recommendable as a generator. It can be described as the 19 & 94 temperament, and uses a decidedly flat version of the chromatic semitone as a generator. [[Mos]] of 18 or 19 notes to the octave give enough room for sycamore's triads, but 37 notes can be tried by the adventurous.


== Sycamore ==
Another possible tuning uses a generator which is a near pure 3/2 at 702.162258 [[cent]]s divided into 11 parts, and this makes the generator chain of sycamore exactly the same as [[Carlos Beta]]. In fact, Carlos Beta is characterized by Carlos as taking five steps to reach 6/5 and six to reach 5/4, which means it tempers out the sycamore comma. It can be described as the generator chain of sycamore, or sycamore can be called Carlos Beta with octaves.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


[[Comma list]]: 48828125/47775744
[[Comma list]]: 48828125/47775744


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 2 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 11 6 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~25/24


[[POTE generator]]: ~25/24 = 63.779
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.6031{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.8108{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.603 +0.567 -2.242 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.8234{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.103 -3.373 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75, 94, 207c, 301c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75, 94, 207c, 301c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.209966
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 4.93


== Septimal sycamore ==
== Septimal sycamore ==
The second element of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] for septimal sycamore is [[875/864]], the keema, and it also tempers out [[686/675]], the senga, and [[3136/3125]], hemimean. It may also be called the 19&amp;56 temperament. This may also be used as the name for the temperament obtained by adding [[100/99]] to sycamore's commas, giving unidecimal sycamore, where 10 generator steps reaches 16/11, 11 reach 3/2, and 15 give 7/4, adding a considerable dose of 11-limit harmonies to the 19-note MOS. [[75edo|75EDO]] is an excellent tuning for 7-limit sycamore, and [[56edo|56EDO]] for the 11-limit version.
The second element of the [[normal forms #Normal forms for commas|normal comma list]] for septimal sycamore is [[875/864]], the keema, and it also tempers out [[686/675]], the senga, and [[3136/3125]], hemimean. It may also be called the 19 & 56 temperament. This may also be used as the name for the temperament obtained by adding [[100/99]] to sycamore's commas, giving undecimal sycamore, where 10 generator steps reaches 16/11, 11 reach 3/2, and 15 give 7/4, adding a considerable dose of 11-limit harmonies to the 19-note mos. [[75edo]] is an excellent tuning for 7-limit sycamore, and [[56edo]] for the 11-limit version.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 686/675, 875/864
[[Comma list]]: 686/675, 875/864


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 15 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 2 | 0 11 6 15 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 11 6 15 -16 -7 18 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.7208{{c}}, ~25/24 = 64.0334{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.721 +3.133 -0.672 -6.884 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 64.0496{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +2.591 -2.016 -8.082 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~25/24 = 63.995
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75d }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75d }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.57
 
[[Badness]]: 0.062018


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
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Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 686/675
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 686/675


Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 2 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 15 -10 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 2 4 | 0 11 6 15 -10 }}


POTE generator: ~25/24 = 64.268
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4126{{c}}, ~25/24 = 64.2363{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 64.2505{{c}}


Vals: {{Val list| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}


Badness: 0.055940
Badness (Sintel): 1.85


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 169/168, 385/384
Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 169/168, 385/384


Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 2 2 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 15 -10 13 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 2 4 3 | 0 11 6 15 -10 13 }}


POTE generator: ~25/24 = 64.296
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6597{{c}}, ~25/24 = 64.2778{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 64.2853{{c}}


Vals: {{Val list| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}


Badness: 0.034295
Badness (Sintel): 1.42


== Betic ==
== Betic ==
Septimal sycamore sharpens the fifth from where it stands in the 5-limit, and lowers accuracy in order to reach 7-limit harmonies. If we retain tunings approximately (e.g. 94EDO) or exactly those of Carlos Beta, we get the 19&amp;94 temperament, betic, for the 7-limit. This adds [[225/224]] to the sycamore comma. The Carlos Beta tuning, with pure fifths, is a good tuning choice, but 94 or 113 equal are as well. Betic extends to the 11-limit upon addition of [[385/384]] or [[540/539]] to the list of commas, which means it supports both 7 and 11-limit marvel. The wedgie starts {{multival| 11 6 34 -29 … }}.
Septimal sycamore sharpens the fifth from where it stands in the 5-limit, and lowers accuracy in order to reach 7-limit harmonies. If we retain tunings approximately (e.g. 94edo) or exactly those of Carlos Beta, we get the 19 &amp; 94 temperament, betic, for the 7-limit. This adds [[225/224]] to the sycamore comma. The Carlos Beta tuning, with pure fifths, is a good tuning choice, but 94 or 113 equal are as well. Betic extends to the 11-limit upon addition of [[385/384]] or [[540/539]] to the list of commas, which means it supports both 7 and 11-limit marvel.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1071875/1062882
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1071875/1062882


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 2 1 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 34 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 1 | 0 11 6 34 }}
 
{{Multival|legend=1| 11 6 34 -16 23 62 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~28/27 = 63.741
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.6891{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.7773{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.689 +0.284 -2.272 +0.291 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.7683{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.504 -3.704 -0.703 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 56d, 75, 94, 113, 320cc, 433ccd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19, 56d, 75, 94, 113, 320cc, 433ccd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.069748
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.77


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
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Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 218750/216513
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 218750/216513


Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 2 1 5 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 34 -29 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 5 | 0 11 6 34 -29 }}


POTE generator: ~28/27 = 63.776
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4466{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.7993{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.7796{{c}}


Vals: {{Val list| 19, 75, 94, 207c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 75, 94, 207c }}


Badness: 0.056874
Badness (Sintel): 1.88


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Comma list: 225/224, 325/324, 385/384, 1875/1859
Comma list: 225/224, 325/324, 385/384, 1875/1859


Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 2 1 5 2 }}, {{val| 0 11 6 34 -29 32 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 5 2 | 0 11 6 34 -29 32 }}


POTE generator: ~28/27 = 63.766
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.3946{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.7867{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.7702{{c}}


Vals: {{Val list| 19, 75, 94, 113, 207c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 75, 94, 113, 207c }}


Badness: 0.032475
Badness (Sintel): 1.34


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