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"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about musical tuning. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math and practice."

"The [[Xenharmonic Wiki]] is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."

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:: Anybody else have any thoughts on this? You think it's okay to go ahead, or no? --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 05:10, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

=== Revision proposal by Budjarn ver. 2 (Oct 2025) ===

Because the first proposal failed to gain traction, I decided to reword it a bit and propose it again. The changes are to reflect the fact that, in practice, the wiki is mostly about xenharmonics (so as not to mislead readers who are looking for comprehensive info on world/historical tunings), while still making it very clear that articles about world/historical tunings are still allowed and encouraged.

; Old wording

"The [[Xenharmonic Wiki]] is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."

; New proposed wording:

"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about [[microtonal music]]: primarily [[xenharmonic music]] but also [[historical tunings]] and those of [[world musical traditions]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."

Everyone is encouraged to please reply on this talk page to discuss this proposal. Even if you only want to say "I like the proposal" or "I don't like it", that's still a big help :)

--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 20:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

: Looks good. —[[User:Hkm|hkm]] ([[User talk:Hkm|talk]]) 21:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

: The elaboration, I strongly agree with. My only complaint is that I would prefer to keep "[[musical tuning]]" over "[[microtonal music]]," as plenty of the tunings discussed on the wiki would be classed as "macrotonal," or even regular-sized-tonal; even 12edo itself is covered here. [[User:Unque|Unque]] ([[User talk:Unque|talk]]) 21:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

:: I am happy to change that. So in that case it would be:

:: '''New proposed wording:'''

:: "The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning]]: primarily [[xenharmonic music]] but also [[historical tunings]] and those of [[world musical traditions]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."

:: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 21:51, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

::: I agree with Unque that microtonal is too limiting, but I disagree that "musical tuning" is the appropriate term. "Tuning systems" is more accurate, and also open enough to not exclude anything.

:::-- [[User:Nick Vuci|Nick Vuci]] ([[User talk:Nick Vuci|talk]]) 22:23, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

:::: Happy to do that :)

:::: '''New proposed wording:'''

:::: "The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning|music tuning systems]]: primarily [[xenharmonic music]] but also [[historical tunings]] and those of [[world musical traditions]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."

:::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 22:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

::::: Not bad, my own suggestion for wording would be:

:::::"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource dedicated to musical tuning systems, focusing on xenharmonic music while also documenting historical tunings and tuning practices from world traditions. It covers the theory and practical applications of these systems."

::::: -- [[User:Nick Vuci|Nick Vuci]] ([[User talk:Nick Vuci|talk]]) 22:32, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::: I am in favour of Nick's wording here :)

:::::: Here is where I would put links in it:

:::::: '''New proposed wording:'''

:::::: "The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource dedicated to [[musical tuning]] systems, focusing on [[xenharmonic music]] while also documenting [[historical tunings]] and tuning practices from [[world musical traditions|world traditions]]. It covers the [[theory]] and [[practice|practical applications]] of these systems."

:::::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 22:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

::::::: I think that last version might be the one to make live on the real page. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 22:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: On the XA Discord, [[Lériendil]] also said he likes this latest version, so that's 4 people in favour so far (Nick, me, Lucius, Lériendil), looking promising so far :)

:::::::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 22:59, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: Seems good and has enough traction. The new wording is live. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: Thank you Fredg999, I appreciate it :) And thank you everyone for your comments and improvements :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 03:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

I put the link on ''tuning system'' instead of ''musical tuning''. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:41, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

== Popular topics ==

In the popular topics section, there should be a brief description of what each topic is after the bullet point; no more than a few words long. For example, [[Just Intonation]] can be described as "a tuning system based on rational frequency ratios". This will guide new readers and have them not need to click links obliviously.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 10:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

: I support this proposal --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 23:39, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

: I came up with an exact proposed revision; see [[User:Overthink/Draft edits#Main page]]. Feel free to leave any suggestions for further changes. Note that the text at the beginning that reads

<pre>

{{Interwiki

| en = Main Page

| de = Hauptseite

| es = Bienvenidos

| ja = メインページ

| ro = Pagina Principală

| zh = 主页

}}__NOTOC__

</pre>

: isn't included on the draft page to avoid issues; the content on the draft page only contains what is to be included after this text.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 06:16, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

== Small but useful change ==

It would be a good idea to link [[Xenharmonic Wiki]] in the very first sentence. This lets readers know what this website is about, while hardly being disruptive. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 05:28, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

: Done, thank you for the suggestion. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 02:44, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

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-"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about musical tuning. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, theory, math and practice."
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 :: Anybody else have any thoughts on this? You think it's okay to go ahead, or no? --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 05:10, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
+=== Revision proposal by Budjarn ver. 2 (Oct 2025) ===
+Because the first proposal failed to gain traction, I decided to reword it a bit and propose it again. The changes are to reflect the fact that, in practice, the wiki is mostly about xenharmonics (so as not to mislead readers who are looking for comprehensive info on world/historical tunings), while still making it very clear that articles about world/historical tunings are still allowed and encouraged.
+; Old wording
+"The [[Xenharmonic Wiki]] is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships,  [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."
+; New proposed wording:
+"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about [[microtonal music]]: primarily [[xenharmonic music]] but also [[historical tunings]] and those of [[world musical traditions]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."
+Everyone is encouraged to please reply on this talk page to discuss this proposal. Even if you only want to say "I like the proposal" or "I don't like it", that's still a big help :)
+--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 20:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+: Looks good. —[[User:Hkm|hkm]] ([[User talk:Hkm|talk]]) 21:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+: The elaboration, I strongly agree with.  My only complaint is that I would prefer to keep "[[musical tuning]]" over "[[microtonal music]]," as plenty of the tunings discussed on the wiki would be classed as "macrotonal," or even regular-sized-tonal; even 12edo itself is covered here. [[User:Unque|Unque]] ([[User talk:Unque|talk]]) 21:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+:: I am happy to change that. So in that case it would be:
+:: '''New proposed wording:'''
+:: "The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning]]: primarily [[xenharmonic music]] but also [[historical tunings]] and those of [[world musical traditions]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."
+:: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 21:51, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+::: I agree with Unque that microtonal is too limiting, but I disagree that "musical tuning" is the appropriate term. "Tuning systems" is more accurate, and also open enough to not exclude anything.
+:::-- [[User:Nick Vuci|Nick Vuci]] ([[User talk:Nick Vuci|talk]]) 22:23, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+:::: Happy to do that :)
+:::: '''New proposed wording:'''
+:::: "The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource for information about [[musical tuning|music tuning systems]]: primarily [[xenharmonic music]] but also [[historical tunings]] and those of [[world musical traditions]]. This information includes tuning systems and their relationships, [[theory]], [[math]], and [[practice]]."
+:::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 22:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+::::: Not bad, my own suggestion for wording would be:
+:::::"The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource dedicated to musical tuning systems, focusing on xenharmonic music while also documenting historical tunings and tuning practices from world traditions. It covers the theory and practical applications of these systems."
+::::: -- [[User:Nick Vuci|Nick Vuci]] ([[User talk:Nick Vuci|talk]]) 22:32, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+:::::: I am in favour of Nick's wording here :)
+:::::: Here is where I would put links in it:
+:::::: '''New proposed wording:'''
+:::::: "The Xenharmonic Wiki is an open resource dedicated to [[musical tuning]] systems, focusing on [[xenharmonic music]] while also documenting [[historical tunings]] and tuning practices from [[world musical traditions|world traditions]]. It covers the [[theory]] and [[practice|practical applications]] of these systems."
+:::::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 22:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+::::::: I think that last version might be the one to make live on the real page.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 22:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+:::::::: On the XA Discord, [[Lériendil]] also said he likes this latest version, so that's 4 people in favour so far (Nick, me, Lucius, Lériendil), looking promising so far :)
+:::::::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 22:59, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+:::::::: Seems good and has enough traction. The new wording is live. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
+:::::::: Thank you Fredg999, I appreciate it :) And thank you everyone for your comments and improvements :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 03:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
+I put the link on ''tuning system'' instead of ''musical tuning''. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:41, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
+== Popular topics ==
+In the popular topics section, there should be a brief description of what each topic is after the bullet point; no more than a few words long. For example, [[Just Intonation]] can be described as "a tuning system based on rational frequency ratios". This will guide new readers and have them not need to click links obliviously.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 10:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
+: I support this proposal --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 23:39, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
+: I came up with an exact proposed revision; see [[User:Overthink/Draft edits#Main page]]. Feel free to leave any suggestions for further changes. Note that the text at the beginning that reads
+<pre>
+{{Interwiki
+| en = Main Page
+| de = Hauptseite
+| es = Bienvenidos
+| ja = メインページ
+| ro = Pagina Principală
+| zh = 主页
+}}__NOTOC__
+</pre>
+: isn't included on the draft page to avoid issues; the content on the draft page only contains what is to be included after this text.--[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 06:16, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
+== Small but useful change ==
+It would be a good idea to link [[Xenharmonic Wiki]] in the very first sentence. This lets readers know what this website is about, while hardly being disruptive. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 05:28, 7 February 2026 (UTC)
+: Done, thank you for the suggestion. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 02:44, 9 February 2026 (UTC)