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| Monzo = -30 19

| Name = 19-comma, Pythagorean kleisma, Pythagorean inverse double-diminished second

| Color name = L3w-2, trilawa negative 2nd 19wM, newama

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The '''19-comma''', otherwise known as the '''Pythagorean kleisma''' ({{monzo|legend=1| -30 19 }}, [[ratio]]: 1162261467/1073741824), is an interval of about 137.1{{cent}}. It is the amount by which nineteen [[3/2|perfect fifth]]s exceed eleven octaves, or (3/2)19/211. If used as an interval in its own right, it is the '''Pythagorean inverse double-diminished second'''.

== Temperaments ==

Treating it as a comma, [[tempering out]] this comma gives rise to [[graywood]], which is supported by edos 19, [[38edo|38]], [[57edo|57]], and [[76edo|76]] in their [[patent val]]s.

However, this interval is larger than typical commas, being close to [[13/12]] in size. This interval can be equated to 13/12 by tempering out the [[tridecapyth comma]] with monzo {{Monzo| 28 -20 0 0 0 1 }}, leading to the [[tridecapyth]] temperament.

== Terminology ==

The term ''Pythagorean kleisma'' seems to be first used by [[Flora Canou]] in 2024, for this is the [[kleisma|moskleisma]] of the [[Pythagorean tuning|Pythagorean]] [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], where ''kleisma'' (adjective: ''kleismic'') refers to the inverse double-diminished 1-step i.e. |2L - 3s|. It is equated with the 5-limit kleisma of [[15625/15552]] along with many other intervals in [[meantone]].

The term ''Pythagorean kleisma'' seems to be first used by [[Flora Canou]] in 2024, for this is the [[kleisma|moskleisma]] of the [[Pythagorean tuning|Pythagorean]] [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], where ''kleisma'' (adjective: ''kleismic'') refers to the inverse double-diminished 1-step i.e. |2L - 3s|. It is equated with the 5-limit kleisma of [[15625/15552]] along with many other intervals in [[meantone]]. It can also be reasoned as a fitting name as by tempering out this comma alongside the meantone comma ([[81/80]]), we get [[19edo]], which [[support]]s [[kleismic]].

== See also ==

* [[Large comma]]

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 | Monzo = -30 19
 | Name = 19-comma, Pythagorean kleisma, Pythagorean inverse double-diminished second
+| Color name = L<sup>3</sup>w-2, trilawa negative 2nd<br>19wM, newama
 }}
 The '''19-comma''', otherwise known as the '''Pythagorean kleisma''' ({{monzo|legend=1| -30 19 }}, [[ratio]]: 1162261467/1073741824), is an interval of about 137.1{{cent}}. It is the amount by which nineteen [[3/2|perfect fifth]]s exceed eleven octaves, or (3/2)<sup>19</sup>/2<sup>11</sup>. If used as an interval in its own right, it is the '''Pythagorean inverse double-diminished second'''.
+== Temperaments ==
+Treating it as a comma, [[tempering out]] this comma gives rise to [[graywood]], which is supported by edos 19, [[38edo|38]], [[57edo|57]], and [[76edo|76]] in their [[patent val]]s.
+However, this interval is larger than typical commas, being close to [[13/12]] in size. This interval can be equated to 13/12 by tempering out the [[tridecapyth comma]] with monzo {{Monzo| 28 -20 0 0 0 1 }}, leading to the [[tridecapyth]] temperament.
 == Terminology ==
-The term ''Pythagorean kleisma'' seems to be first used by [[Flora Canou]] in 2024, for this is the [[kleisma|moskleisma]] of the [[Pythagorean tuning|Pythagorean]] [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], where ''kleisma'' (adjective: ''kleismic'') refers to the inverse double-diminished 1-step i.e. |2L - 3s|. It is equated with the 5-limit kleisma of [[15625/15552]] along with many other intervals in [[meantone]].
+The term ''Pythagorean kleisma'' seems to be first used by [[Flora Canou]] in 2024, for this is the [[kleisma|moskleisma]] of the [[Pythagorean tuning|Pythagorean]] [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], where ''kleisma'' (adjective: ''kleismic'') refers to the inverse double-diminished 1-step i.e. |2L - 3s|. It is equated with the 5-limit kleisma of [[15625/15552]] along with many other intervals in [[meantone]]. It can also be reasoned as a fitting name as by tempering out this comma alongside the meantone comma ([[81/80]]), we get [[19edo]], which [[support]]s [[kleismic]].
 == See also ==
 * [[Large comma]]