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=== Approximation to JI === | === Approximation to JI === | ||
8edo forms an odd and even pitch set of two diminished seventh chords, which when used in combination yield dissonance. The system has been described as a "barbaric" harmonic system, containing no good approximation of harmonics 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, and 17; even so, it does a good job representing the [[just intonation subgroup]] | 8edo forms an odd and even pitch set of two diminished seventh chords, which when used in combination yield dissonance. The system has been described as a "barbaric" harmonic system, containing no good approximation of harmonics 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, and 17; even so, it does a good job representing the [[just intonation subgroup]] 2.11/3.13/5, with good intervals of [[13/10]] and an excellent version of [[11/6]]. Stacking the 450-cent interval can result in some semi-consonant chords such as 0-3-6 degrees, although these still are quite dissonant compared to standard root-3rd-P5 triads, which are unavailable in 8edo. | ||
Another way of looking at 8edo is to treat a chord of 0-1-2-3-4 degrees (0-150-300-450-600 cents) as approximating harmonics 10:11:12:13:14 (~0-165-316-454-583 cents), which is not too implausible if you can buy that 12edo is a 5-limit temperament. This interpretation would imply that 121/120, 144/143, 169/168, and hence also 36/35 and 66/65, are tempered out. | Another way of looking at 8edo is to treat a chord of 0-1-2-3-4 degrees (0-150-300-450-600 cents) as approximating harmonics 10:11:12:13:14 (~0-165-316-454-583 cents), which is not too implausible if you can buy that 12edo is a 5-limit temperament. This interpretation would imply that 121/120, 144/143, 169/168, and hence also 36/35 and 66/65, are tempered out. The corresponding subgroup is 2.5/3.7/3.11/3.13/3. However, some intervals in this chord, such as [[14/11]] and [[7/6]], are tuned quite inaccurately (over 30 cents off). Nonetheless, the 8-form serves as an underlying structure in many [[non-over-1 temperament]]s. | ||
=== Relationship with the father comma === | === Relationship with the father comma === | ||
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=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
8edo contains [[2edo]] and [[4edo]] as subsets. Among its supersets are [[16edo]], [[24edo]], [[32edo]], …. | 8edo contains [[2edo]] and [[4edo]] as subsets. Among its supersets are [[16edo]], [[24edo]], [[32edo]], … notably including [[72edo]], which expands its 2.11/3.13/5.17/3.19 subgroup into a full 19-limit temperament. | ||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
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! rowspan="2" | Steps | ! rowspan="2" | Steps | ||
! rowspan="2" | Cents | ! rowspan="2" | Cents | ||
! colspan=" | ! colspan="4" | JI approximation | ||
!Other | !Other | ||
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! 2.5/3.11/3.13/5* | ! 2.5/3.11/3.13/5* | ||
! 10:11:12:13:14* | ! 10:11:12:13:14* | ||
!val 8d** | |||
!Patent val ⟨8 13 19] | !Patent val ⟨8 13 19] | ||
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| 1/1 | | 1/1 | ||
| 1/1 | | 1/1 | ||
|1/1 | |||
|1/1, 16/15 | |1/1, 16/15 | ||
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| 12/11 | | 12/11 | ||
| 12/11, 11/10 | | 12/11, 11/10 | ||
|14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10 | |||
|10/9, 25/24 | |10/9, 25/24 | ||
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| 6/5 | | 6/5 | ||
| 6/5 | | 6/5 | ||
|13/11, 6/5 | |||
|6/5, 9/8 | |6/5, 9/8 | ||
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| 13/10 | | 13/10 | ||
| 13/10 | | 13/10 | ||
|9/7, 13/10 | |||
|4/3, 5/4 | |4/3, 5/4 | ||
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| 7/5, 10/7 | | 7/5, 10/7 | ||
|7/5, 10/7 | |||
|27/20, 25/18, 36/25 | |27/20, 25/18, 36/25 | ||
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| 20/13 | | 20/13 | ||
| 20/13 | | 20/13 | ||
|14/9 | |||
|3/2, 8/5 | |3/2, 8/5 | ||
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| 5/3 | | 5/3 | ||
| 5/3 | | 5/3 | ||
|5/3 | |||
|5/3, 16/9 | |5/3, 16/9 | ||
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| 11/6 | | 11/6 | ||
| 20/11, 11/6 | | 20/11, 11/6 | ||
|11/6, 13/7 | |||
|9/5, 48/50 | |9/5, 48/50 | ||
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| 2/1 | | 2/1 | ||
| 2/1 | | 2/1 | ||
|2/1 | |||
|2/1, 15/8 | |2/1, 15/8 | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki />* Allows [[inversion]] by 2/1; other interpretations also possible | <nowiki />* Allows [[inversion]] by 2/1; other interpretations also possible | ||
<nowiki />** 16 integer limit, relative error < 15 % | |||
== Notation == | == Notation == | ||
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=== Temperaments === | === Temperaments === | ||
8edo is fairly composite, so the only step that generates a [[mos]] scale that covers every interval other than the 1 is the 3, producing scales of 332 and [[3L 2s|21212]]. In terms of temperaments, in the 5-limit this is best interpreted as [[father]], as 8edo is the highest edo that tempers out the diatonic semitone in it's [[patent val]], merging 5/4 and 4/3 into a single interval, which is also the generator. This means major and minor chords are rotations of each other, making them inaccurate but very simple, with even the 5 note mos having 3 of both and providing a functional skeleton of 5-limit harmony, albeit with some very strange enharmonic equivalences. In terms of 7-limit extensions things get even more inaccurate, as the patent val supports [[mother]], but the ideal tuning for that is much closer to [[5edo]]. The 8d val supports septimal father and [[pater]], and is much closer to the ideal tuning for both, as the extremely sharp 7 works better with the | 8edo is fairly composite, so the only step that generates a [[mos]] scale that covers every interval other than the 1 is the 3, producing scales of 332 and [[3L 2s|21212]]. In terms of temperaments, in the 5-limit this is best interpreted as [[father]], as 8edo is the highest edo that tempers out the diatonic semitone in it's [[patent val]], merging 5/4 and 4/3 into a single interval, which is also the generator. This means major and minor chords are rotations of each other, making them inaccurate but very simple, with even the 5 note mos having 3 of both and providing a functional skeleton of 5-limit harmony, albeit with some very strange enharmonic equivalences. In terms of 7-limit extensions things get even more inaccurate, as the patent val supports [[mother]], but the ideal tuning for that is much closer to [[5edo]]. The 8d val supports septimal father and [[pater]], and is much closer to the ideal tuning for both, as the extremely sharp 7 works better with the 3 and 5. In terms of multi-period temperaments, it makes for a near perfect [[walid]] or a much less accurate [[diminished (temperament)|diminished]] scale. | ||
== Instruments == | == Instruments == | ||
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; [[City of the Asleep]] | ; [[City of the Asleep]] | ||
* [http://ia600607.us.archive.org/3/items/Transcendissonance/10Malebolge-CityOfTheAsleep.mp3 "Malebolge"], from [https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/album/transcendissonance ''Transcendissonance''] (2011) | * [http://ia600607.us.archive.org/3/items/Transcendissonance/10Malebolge-CityOfTheAsleep.mp3 "Malebolge"], from [https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/album/transcendissonance ''Transcendissonance''] (2011) | ||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qk_kMCCXpss ''microtonal improvisation in 8edo''] (2024) | |||
; [[Milan Guštar]] | ; [[Milan Guštar]] | ||