Neutral third

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Name Neutral third
Lower bound 330¢ – 340¢
Upper bound 360¢ – 370¢
Generated MOSes 4L 3s, 3L 4s, 7L 3s, 3L 7s
Example JI intervals
Intervals 11/9 (347.4¢)
16/13 (359.5¢)
Related regions
Complement Neutral sixth
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A neutral third (n3), as a concrete interval region, is typically near 350 cents in size, distinct from the minor third of roughly 300 cents and the major third of roughly 400 ¢. A rough tuning range for the neutral third is 330 to 370 ¢ according to Margo Schulter's theory of interval regions; intervals in this range may be also called Zalzalian thirds.

In a diatonic functional context, neutral thirds appear as part of the variant of diatonic with generators halved, where the neutral third is the generator and the 600-cent tritone is the period.

The neutral third range is generally divided at roughly 350 ¢ into artoneutral (flatter) and tendoneutral (sharper) thirds. As such, neutral thirds tend to exist in pairs.

In just intonation

By prime limit

The 3-limit and 5-limit do not have simple neutral thirds (though hemipythagorean has an irrational sqrt(3/2) interval that might be considered the "canonical" neutral third), so we start with the 7-limit:

  • The 7-limit artoneutral and tendoneutral thirds are the ratios of 60/49 and 49/40 respectively, and they are slightly flat of and slightly sharp of 351 ¢ respectively.
  • The 11-limit alpharabian artoneutral and tendoneutral thirds are the ratios of 11/9 and 27/22 respectively, and they are about 347 and 355 ¢ respectively.
  • The 13-limit artoneutral and tendoneutral thirds are the ratios of 39/32 and 16/13 respectively, and they are about 342 and 359 ¢ respectively.
  • The 17-limit supraminor and submajor thirds are the ratios of 17/14 and 21/17 respectively, and they are about 336 and 366 ¢ respectively.

By delta

See Delta-N ratio.

Delta 2 Delta 3 Delta 4 Delta 5
11/9 347 ¢ 16/13 359 ¢ 21/17 365 ¢ 26/21 370 ¢
17/14 336 ¢ 23/19 330 ¢ 27/22 355 ¢
28/23 341 ¢

In edos

The following table lists the best tuning of 39/32 and 16/13 in various significant edos. For applicable edos, it also lists one half of the edo's perfect fifth, approximating √(3/2), which, while not a just interval, is the "canonical" neutral third tuning, as stacking two of them gives 3/2.

Edo 1\2edf 39/32 16/13
7 343 ¢
17 353 ¢
24 350 ¢
25 336 ¢
26 * 369 ¢
27 356 ¢
29 331 ¢ *
31 348 ¢
34 353 ¢
41 351 ¢
53 340 ¢ 362 ¢

In regular temperaments

Temperaments generated by neutral thirds often involve tempering a pair of neutral thirds together. As such, each pair of neutral thirds has a corresponding temperament, which equates both neutral thirds to half of a perfect fifth:

Pair of neutral thirds Temperament
60/49, 49/40 Breed*
11/9, 27/22 Neutral
39/32, 16/13 Temperament of 512/507
17/14, 21/17 Temperament of 294/289

* Breed is a rank-3 temperament, the other generator being ~7/5

In moment-of-symmetry scales

Intervals between 327 and 400 ¢ generate the following mos scales:

These tables start from the last monolarge mos generated by the interval range.

Scales with more than 12 notes are not included.

Range Mos
327–343 ¢ 1L 2s 3L 1s 4L 3s 7L 4s
343–360 ¢ 3L 4s 7L 3s
360–400 ¢ 3L 7s


ViewTalkEditInterval classification
Seconds and thirds UnisonComma and diesisSemitoneNeutral secondMajor second • (Interseptimal second-third) • Minor thirdNeutral thirdMajor third
Fourths and fifths (Interseptimal third-fourth) • Perfect fourthSuperfourthTritoneSubfifthPerfect fifth • (Interseptimal fifth-sixth)
Sixths and sevenths Minor sixthNeutral sixthMajor sixth • (Interseptimal sixth-seventh) • Minor seventhNeutral seventhMajor seventhOctave
Diatonic qualities DiminishedMinorPerfectMajorAugmented
Tuning ranges Neutral (interval quality)Submajor and supraminorPental major and minorNovamajor and novaminorNeogothic major and minorSupermajor and subminorUltramajor and inframinor