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'''Breedsmic temperaments''' are rank two temperaments tempering out the [[breedsma]], {{monzo|-5 -1 -2 4}} = [[2401/2400]]. This is the amount by which two 49/40 intervals exceed 3/2, and by which two 60/49 intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system (12edo, for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.
'''Breedsmic temperaments''' are rank two temperaments tempering out the [[breedsma]], {{monzo|-5 -1 -2 4}} = [[2401/2400]]. This is the amount by which two 49/40 intervals exceed 3/2, and by which two 60/49 intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system (12EDO, for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.


It is also the amount by which four stacked 10/7 intervals exceed 25/6: 10000/2401 * 2401/2400 = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the chromatic semitone, 25/24. We might note also that 49/40 * 10/7 = 7/4 and 49/40 * (10/7)^2 = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40+60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.
It is also the amount by which four stacked 10/7 intervals exceed 25/6: 10000/2401 * 2401/2400 = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the chromatic semitone, 25/24. We might note also that 49/40 * 10/7 = 7/4 and 49/40 * (10/7)^2 = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40+60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.
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Temperaments not discussed here include [[Dicot family #Decimal|decimal]], [[Archytas clan #Beatles|beatles]], [[Meantone family #Squares|squares]], [[Starling temperaments #Myna|myna]], [[Keemic temperaments #Quasitemp|quasitemp]], [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|miracle]], [[Magic family #Quadrimage|quadrimage]], [[Ragismic microtemperaments #Ennealimmal|ennealimmal]], [[Tetracot family #Octacot|octacot]], [[Kleismic family #Quadritikleismic|quadritikleismic]], [[Schismatic family #Sesquiquartififths|sesquiquartififths]], [[Würschmidt family #Hemiwürschmidt|hemiwürschmidt]], and [[Gammic family #Neptune|neptune]].  
Temperaments not discussed here include [[Dicot family #Decimal|decimal]], [[Archytas clan #Beatles|beatles]], [[Meantone family #Squares|squares]], [[Starling temperaments #Myna|myna]], [[Keemic temperaments #Quasitemp|quasitemp]], [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|miracle]], [[Magic family #Quadrimage|quadrimage]], [[Ragismic microtemperaments #Ennealimmal|ennealimmal]], [[Tetracot family #Octacot|octacot]], [[Kleismic family #Quadritikleismic|quadritikleismic]], [[Schismatic family #Sesquiquartififths|sesquiquartififths]], [[Würschmidt family #Hemiwürschmidt|hemiwürschmidt]], and [[Gammic family #Neptune|neptune]].  


= Hemififths =
== Hemififths ==
{{main|Hemififths}}
{{main|Hemififths}}


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By adding 243/242 (which also means 441/440, 540/539 and 896/891) to the commas, hemififths extends to a less accurate 11-limit version, but one where 11/4 is only five generator steps. 99EDO is an excellent tuning; one which loses little of the accuracy of the 7-limit but improves the 11-limit a bit. Now adding 144/143 brings in the 13-limit with less accuracy yet, but with very low complexity, as the generator can be taken to be 16/13. 99 remains a good tuning choice.
By adding 243/242 (which also means 441/440, 540/539 and 896/891) to the commas, hemififths extends to a less accurate 11-limit version, but one where 11/4 is only five generator steps. 99EDO is an excellent tuning; one which loses little of the accuracy of the 7-limit but improves the 11-limit a bit. Now adding 144/143 brings in the 13-limit with less accuracy yet, but with very low complexity, as the generator can be taken to be 16/13. 99 remains a good tuning choice.


Subgroup: 2.3.5
[[Comma]]: 858993459200/847288609443
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 -5 }}, {{val| 0 2 25 }}]
[[POTE generator]]: ~655360/531441 = 351.476
{{Val list|legend=1| 41, 58, 99, 239, 338, 915b, 1253bc }}
[[Badness]]: 0.372848
== 7-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Minimax tuning]]:
[[Minimax tuning]]:
* 7 and 9-limit minimax
* 7 and 9-limit minimax: ~49/40 = {{monzo|1/5 0 1/25}}
: [{{monzo|1 0 0 0}}, {{monzo|7/5, 0, 2/25, 0}}, {{monzo|0 0 1 0}}, {{monzo|8/5 0 13/25 0}}]
: [{{monzo|1 0 0 0}}, {{monzo|7/5 0 2/25 0}}, {{monzo|0 0 1 0}}, {{monzo|8/5 0 13/25 0}}]
: Eigenvalues: 2, 5
: Eigenmonzos: 2, 5


[[Algebraic generator]]: (2 + sqrt(2))/2
[[Algebraic generator]]: (2 + sqrt(2))/2
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[[Badness]]: 0.022243
[[Badness]]: 0.022243


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.023498
Badness: 0.023498


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.019090
Badness: 0.019090


== Semihemi ==
=== Semihemi ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.042487
Badness: 0.042487


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.021188
Badness: 0.021188


= Tertiaseptal =
== Tertiaseptal ==
{{main|Tertiaseptal}}
{{main|Tertiaseptal}}


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[[Badness]]: 0.012995
[[Badness]]: 0.012995


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.035576
Badness: 0.035576


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.036876
Badness: 0.036876


=== 17-limit ===
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.027398
Badness: 0.027398


== Tertia ==
=== Tertia ===
Subgroup:2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup:2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.030171
Badness: 0.030171


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.028384
Badness: 0.028384


=== 17-limit ===
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.022416
Badness: 0.022416


== Hemitert ==
=== Hemitert ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.015633
Badness: 0.015633


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.033573
Badness: 0.033573


=== 17-limit ===
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.025298
Badness: 0.025298


= Harry =
== Harry ==
{{main|Harry}}
{{main|Harry}}
{{see also|Gravity family #Harry}}
{{see also|Gravity family #Harry}}
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[[Badness]]: 0.034077
[[Badness]]: 0.034077


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.015867
Badness: 0.015867


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.013046
Badness: 0.013046


== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.012657
Badness: 0.012657


= Quasiorwell =
== Quasiorwell ==
In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out 29360128/29296875 = {{monzo|22 -1 -10 1}}. It has a wedgie {{multival|38 -3 8 -93 -94 27}}. It has a generator 1024/875, which is 6144/6125 more than 7/6. It may be described as the 31&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)^(1/8), giving just 7s, or 384^(1/38), giving pure fifths.
In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out 29360128/29296875 = {{monzo|22 -1 -10 1}}. It has a wedgie {{multival|38 -3 8 -93 -94 27}}. It has a generator 1024/875, which is 6144/6125 more than 7/6. It may be described as the 31&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)^(1/8), giving just 7s, or 384^(1/38), giving pure fifths.


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[[Badness]]: 0.035832
[[Badness]]: 0.035832


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.017540
Badness: 0.017540


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Commas: 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3025/3024, 4096/4095
Comma list: 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3025/3024, 4096/4095


Mapping: [{{val|1 31 0 9 53 -59}}, {{val|0 -38 3 -8 -64 81}}]
Mapping: [{{val|1 31 0 9 53 -59}}, {{val|0 -38 3 -8 -64 81}}]
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Badness: 0.017921
Badness: 0.017921


= Decoid =
== Decoid ==
{{see also|Qintosec family #Decoid}}
{{see also|Qintosec family #Decoid}}


In addition to 2401/2400, decoid tempers out 67108864/66976875 to temper 15/14 into one degree of [[10edo|10 EDO]]. Either 8/7 or 16/15 can be used its generator. It may be described as the 130&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 181\940 or 233\1210 makes for an excellent tuning choice. It is also described as an extension of the [[Qintosec family|qintosec temperament]].
In addition to 2401/2400, decoid tempers out 67108864/66976875 to temper 15/14 into one degree of [[10edo|10EDO]]. Either 8/7 or 16/15 can be used its generator. It may be described as the 130&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 181\940 or 233\1210 makes for an excellent tuning choice. It is also described as an extension of the [[Qintosec family|qintosec temperament]].


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
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[[Badness]]: 0.033902
[[Badness]]: 0.033902


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.018735
Badness: 0.018735


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.013475
Badness: 0.013475


= Neominor =
== Neominor ==
The generator for neominor temperament is tridecimal minor third [[13/11]], also known as "<b>Neo-gothic minor third</b>".
The generator for neominor temperament is tridecimal minor third [[13/11]], also known as "<b>Neo-gothic minor third</b>".


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[[Badness]]: 0.088221
[[Badness]]: 0.088221


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.027959
Badness: 0.027959


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.026942
Badness: 0.026942


= Emmthird =
== Emmthird ==
The generator for emmthird temperament is the hemimage third, sharper than 5/4 by the hemimage comma, 10976/10935.
The generator for emmthird temperament is the hemimage third, sharper than 5/4 by the hemimage comma, 10976/10935.


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[[Badness]]: 0.016736
[[Badness]]: 0.016736


= Quinmite =
== Quinmite ==
The generator for quinmite is quasi-tempered minor third 25/21, flatter than 6/5 by the starling comma, 126/125.
The generator for quinmite is quasi-tempered minor third 25/21, flatter than 6/5 by the starling comma, 126/125.


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[[Badness]]: 0.037322


= Unthirds =
== Unthirds ==
The generator for unthirds temperament is undecimal major third, 14/11.
The generator for unthirds temperament is undecimal major third, 14/11.


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[[Badness]]: 0.075253
[[Badness]]: 0.075253


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.022926
Badness: 0.022926


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.020888
Badness: 0.020888


= Newt =
== Newt ==
This temperament has a generator of neutral third (0.2 cents flat of [[49/40]]) and tempers out the [[garischisma]].
This temperament has a generator of neutral third (0.2 cents flat of [[49/40]]) and tempers out the [[garischisma]].


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[[Badness]]: 0.041878
[[Badness]]: 0.041878


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.019461
Badness: 0.019461


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.013830
Badness: 0.013830


= Amicable =
== Amicable ==
{{see also| Amity family }}
{{see also| Amity family }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.045473
[[Badness]]: 0.045473


= Septidiasemi =
== Septidiasemi ==
{{main|Septidiasemi}}
{{main|Septidiasemi}}
Aside from 2401/2400, [[septidiasemi]] tempers out 2152828125/2147483648 in the 7-limit. It is so named because the generator is a "septimal diatonic semitone" (0.15 cents flat of [[15/14]]). It is an excellent tuning for 2.3.5.7.13 and 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroups rather than full 13- and 17-limit.
Aside from 2401/2400, [[septidiasemi]] tempers out 2152828125/2147483648 in the 7-limit. It is so named because the generator is a "septimal diatonic semitone" (0.15 cents flat of [[15/14]]). It is an excellent tuning for 2.3.5.7.13 and 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroups rather than full 13- and 17-limit.
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[[Badness]]: 0.044115


== Sedia ==
=== Sedia ===
The ''sedia'' temperament (10&amp;161, named by [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]]) is an 11-limit extension of the septidiasemi, which tempers out 243/242 and 441/440.
The ''sedia'' temperament (10&amp;161, named by [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]]) is an 11-limit extension of the septidiasemi, which tempers out 243/242 and 441/440.


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Badness: 0.090687


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.045773
Badness: 0.045773


=== 17-limit ===
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.027322
Badness: 0.027322


= Maviloid =
== Maviloid ==
{{see also| Ragismic microtemperaments #Parakleismic }}
{{see also| Ragismic microtemperaments #Parakleismic }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.057632
[[Badness]]: 0.057632


= Subneutral =
== Subneutral ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.045792
[[Badness]]: 0.045792


= Osiris =
== Osiris ==
{{see also|Metric microtemperaments #Geb}}
{{see also|Metric microtemperaments #Geb}}


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[[Badness]]: 0.028307
[[Badness]]: 0.028307


= Gorgik =
== Gorgik ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.158384
[[Badness]]: 0.158384


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.059260
Badness: 0.059260


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.032205
Badness: 0.032205


= Fibo =
== Fibo ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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Badness: 0.100511
Badness: 0.100511


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.056514
Badness: 0.056514


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.027429
Badness: 0.027429


= Mintone =
== Mintone ==
In addition to 2401/2400, mintone tempers out 177147/175000 = {{monzo|-3 11 -5 -1}} in the 7-limit; 243/242, 441/440, and 43923/43750 in the 11-limit. It has a generator tuned around 49/44. It may be described as the 58&amp;103 temperament, and as one might expect, 25\161 makes for an excellent tuning choice.
In addition to 2401/2400, mintone tempers out 177147/175000 = {{monzo|-3 11 -5 -1}} in the 7-limit; 243/242, 441/440, and 43923/43750 in the 11-limit. It has a generator tuned around 49/44. It may be described as the 58&amp;103 temperament, and as one might expect, 25\161 makes for an excellent tuning choice.


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[[Badness]]: 0.125672


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.039962
Badness: 0.039962


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.021849
Badness: 0.021849


== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 561/560, 847/845
Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 561/560, 847/845
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Badness: 0.020295
Badness: 0.020295


= Catafourth =
== Catafourth ==
{{see also| Sensipent family }}
{{see also| Sensipent family }}


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Badness: 0.079579


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.036785
Badness: 0.036785


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.021694
Badness: 0.021694


= Cotritone =
== Cotritone ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.098322


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.032225
Badness: 0.032225


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13



Revision as of 12:18, 3 June 2021

Breedsmic temperaments are rank two temperaments tempering out the breedsma, [-5 -1 -2 4 = 2401/2400. This is the amount by which two 49/40 intervals exceed 3/2, and by which two 60/49 intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system (12EDO, for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.

It is also the amount by which four stacked 10/7 intervals exceed 25/6: 10000/2401 * 2401/2400 = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the chromatic semitone, 25/24. We might note also that 49/40 * 10/7 = 7/4 and 49/40 * (10/7)^2 = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40+60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.

Temperaments not discussed here include decimal, beatles, squares, myna, quasitemp, miracle, quadrimage, ennealimmal, octacot, quadritikleismic, sesquiquartififths, hemiwürschmidt, and neptune.

Hemififths

Hemififths tempers out 5120/5103, the hemifamity comma, and 10976/10935, hemimage. It has a neutral third as a generator, with 99EDO and 140EDO providing good tunings, and 239EDO an even better one; and other possible tunings are (160)^(1/25), giving just 5s, the 7 and 9 limit minimax tuning, or 14^(1/13), giving just 7s. It may be called the 41&58 temperament and has wedgie ⟨⟨ 2 25 13 35 15 -40 ]], which tells us that it requires 25 generator steps to get to the class for major thirds, whereas the 7 is half as complex, and hence hemififths makes for a good no-fives temperament, to which the 17 and 24 note MOS are suited. The full force of this highly accurate temperament can be found using the 41 note MOS or even the 34 note 2MOS.

By adding 243/242 (which also means 441/440, 540/539 and 896/891) to the commas, hemififths extends to a less accurate 11-limit version, but one where 11/4 is only five generator steps. 99EDO is an excellent tuning; one which loses little of the accuracy of the 7-limit but improves the 11-limit a bit. Now adding 144/143 brings in the 13-limit with less accuracy yet, but with very low complexity, as the generator can be taken to be 16/13. 99 remains a good tuning choice.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 5120/5103

Mapping: [1 1 -5 -1], 0 2 25 13]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 2 25 13 35 15 -40 ]]

POTE generator: ~49/40 = 351.477

Minimax tuning:

  • 7 and 9-limit minimax: ~49/40 = [1/5 0 1/25
[[1 0 0 0, [7/5 0 2/25 0, [0 0 1 0, [8/5 0 13/25 0]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 5

Algebraic generator: (2 + sqrt(2))/2

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.022243

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 896/891

Mapping: [1 1 -5 -1 2], 0 2 25 13 5]]

POTE generator: ~11/9 = 351.521

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023498

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 144/143, 196/195, 243/242, 364/363

Mapping: [1 1 -5 -1 2 4], 0 2 25 13 5 -1]]

POTE generator: ~11/9 = 351.573

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.019090

Semihemi

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3388/3375, 9801/9800

Mapping: [2 0 -35 -15 -47], 0 2 25 13 34]]

POTE generator: ~49/40 = 351.505

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.042487

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 676/675, 847/845, 1716/1715

Mapping: [2 0 -35 -15 -47 -37], 0 2 25 13 34 28]]

POTE generator: ~49/40 = 351.502

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021188

Tertiaseptal

Aside from the breedsma, tertiaseptal tempers out 65625/65536, the horwell comma, 703125/702464, the meter, and 2100875/2097152, the rainy comma. It can be described as the 31&171 temperament, and 256/245, 1029/1024 less than 21/20, serves as its generator. Three of these fall short of 8/7 by 2100875/2097152, and the generator can be taken as 1/3 of an 8/7 flattened by a fraction of a cent. 171EDO makes for an excellent tuning. The 15 or 16 note MOS can be used to explore no-threes harmony, and the 31 note MOS gives plenty of room for those as well.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 65625/65536

Mapping: [1 3 2 3], 0 -22 5 -3]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 22 -5 3 -59 -57 21 ]]

POTE generator: ~256/245 = 77.191

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Badness: 0.012995

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 65625/65536

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 7], 0 -22 5 -3 -55]]

POTE generator: ~256/245 = 77.227

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.035576

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 625/624, 3584/3575

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 7 1], 0 -22 5 -3 -55 42]]

POTE generator: ~117/112 = 77.203

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.036876

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 243/242, 375/374, 441/440, 625/624, 3584/3575

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 7 1 1], 0 -22 5 -3 -55 42 48]]

POTE generator: ~68/65 = 77.201

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027398

Tertia

Subgroup:2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 385/384, 1331/1323, 1375/1372

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 5], 0 -22 5 -3 -24]]

POTE generator: ~22/21 = 77.173

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.030171

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 385/384, 625/624, 1331/1323

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 5 1], 0 -22 5 -3 -24 42]]

POTE generator: ~22/21 = 77.158

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.028384

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 352/351, 385/384, 561/560, 625/624, 715/714

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 5 1 1], 0 -22 5 -3 -24 42 48]]

POTE generator: ~22/21 = 77.162

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.022416

Hemitert

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 65625/65536

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 6], 0 -44 10 -6 -79]]

POTE generator: ~45/44 = 38.596

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.015633

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 625/624, 1575/1573, 2401/2400, 4096/4095

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 6 1], 0 -44 10 -6 -79 84]]

POTE generator: ~45/44 = 38.588

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.033573

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 625/624, 833/832, 1225/1224, 1575/1573, 4096/4095

Mapping: [1 3 2 3 6 1 1], 0 -44 10 -6 -79 84 96]]

POTE generator: ~45/44 = 38.589

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.025298

Harry

Harry adds cataharry, 19683/19600, to the set of commas. It may be described as the 58&72 temperament, with wedgie ⟨⟨ 12 34 20 26 -2 -49 ]]. The period is half an octave, and the generator 21/20, with generator tunings of 9\130 or 14\202 being good choices. MOS of size 14, 16, 30, 44 or 58 are among the scale choices.

Harry becomes much more interesting as we move to the 11-limit, where we can add 243/242, 441/440 and 540/539 to the set of commas. 130 and especially 202 still make for good tuning choices, and the octave part of the wedgie is ⟨⟨ 12 34 20 30 ... ]].

Similar comments apply to the 13-limit, where we can add 351/350 and 364/363 to the commas, with ⟨⟨ 12 34 20 30 52 ... ]] as the octave wedgie. 130EDO is again a good tuning choice, but even better might be tuning 7s justly, which can be done via a generator of 83.1174 cents. 72 notes of harry gives plenty of room even for the 13-limit harmonies.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 19683/19600

Mapping: [2 4 7 7], 0 -6 -17 -10]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 12 34 20 26 -2 -49 ]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.156

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Badness: 0.034077

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 4000/3993

Mapping: [2 4 7 7 9], 0 -6 -17 -10 -15]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.167

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.015867

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 676/675

Mapping: [2 4 7 7 9 11], 0 -6 -17 -10 -15 -26]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.116

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.013046

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 221/220, 243/242, 289/288, 351/350, 441/440

Mapping: [2 4 7 7 9 11 9], 0 -6 -17 -10 -15 -26 -6]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.168

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.012657

Quasiorwell

In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out 29360128/29296875 = [22 -1 -10 1. It has a wedgie ⟨⟨ 38 -3 8 -93 -94 27 ]]. It has a generator 1024/875, which is 6144/6125 more than 7/6. It may be described as the 31&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)^(1/8), giving just 7s, or 384^(1/38), giving pure fifths.

Adding 3025/3024 extends to the 11-limit and gives ⟨⟨ 38 -3 8 64 ... ]] for the initial wedgie, and as expected, 270 remains an excellent tuning.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 29360128/29296875

Mapping: [1 31 0 9], 0 -38 3 -8]]

POTE generator: ~1024/875 = 271.107

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Badness: 0.035832

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 5632/5625

Mapping: [1 31 0 9 53], 0 -38 3 -8 -64]]

POTE generator: ~90/77 = 271.111

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.017540

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3025/3024, 4096/4095

Mapping: [1 31 0 9 53 -59], 0 -38 3 -8 -64 81]]

POTE generator: ~90/77 = 271.107

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.017921

Decoid

In addition to 2401/2400, decoid tempers out 67108864/66976875 to temper 15/14 into one degree of 10EDO. Either 8/7 or 16/15 can be used its generator. It may be described as the 130&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 181\940 or 233\1210 makes for an excellent tuning choice. It is also described as an extension of the qintosec temperament.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 67108864/66976875

Mapping: [10 0 47 36], 0 2 -3 -1]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 20 -30 -10 -94 -72 61 ]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.099

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Badness: 0.033902

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 5832/5825, 9801/9800

Mapping: [10 0 47 36 98], 0 2 -3 -1 -8]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.070

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.018735

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 676/675, 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 4225/4224

Mapping: [10 0 47 36 98 37], 0 2 -3 -1 -8 0]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.083

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.013475

Neominor

The generator for neominor temperament is tridecimal minor third 13/11, also known as "Neo-gothic minor third".

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 177147/175616

Mapping: [1 3 12 8], 0 -6 -41 -22]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 6 41 22 51 18 -64 ]]

POTE generator: ~189/160 = 283.280

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Badness: 0.088221

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 35937/35840

Mapping: [1 3 12 8 7], 0 -6 -41 -22 -15]]

POTE generator: ~33/28 = 283.276

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027959

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 169/168, 243/242, 364/363, 441/440

Mapping: [1 3 12 8 7 7], 0 -6 -41 -22 -15 -14]]

POTE generator: ~13/11 = 283.294

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.026942

Emmthird

The generator for emmthird temperament is the hemimage third, sharper than 5/4 by the hemimage comma, 10976/10935.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 14348907/14336000

Mapping: [1 -3 -17 -8], 0 14 59 33]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 14 59 33 61 13 -89 ]]

POTE generator: ~2744/2187 = 392.988

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Badness: 0.016736

Quinmite

The generator for quinmite is quasi-tempered minor third 25/21, flatter than 6/5 by the starling comma, 126/125.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 1959552/1953125

Mapping: [1 -7 -5 -3], 0 34 29 23]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 34 29 23 -33 -59 -28 ]]

POTE generator: ~25/21 = 302.997

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Badness: 0.037322

Unthirds

The generator for unthirds temperament is undecimal major third, 14/11.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 68359375/68024448

Mapping: [1 -13 -14 -9], 0 42 47 34]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 42 47 34 -23 -64 -53 ]]

POTE generator: ~3969/3125 = 416.717

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Badness: 0.075253

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 4000/3993

Map: [1 -13 -14 -9 -8], 0 42 47 34 33]]

POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.718

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.022926

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 625/624, 1575/1573, 2080/2079, 2401/2400

Mapping: [1 -13 -14 -9 -9 -47], 0 42 47 34 33 146]]

POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.716

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.020888

Newt

This temperament has a generator of neutral third (0.2 cents flat of 49/40) and tempers out the garischisma.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 33554432/33480783

Mapping: [1 1 19 11], 0 2 -57 -28]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 2 -57 -28 -95 -50 95 ]]

POTE generator: ~49/40 = 351.113

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Badness: 0.041878

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 19712/19683

Mapping: [1 1 19 11 -10], 0 2 -57 -28 46]]

POTE generator: ~49/40 = 351.115

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.019461

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 2080/2079, 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 4096/4095

Mapping: [1 1 19 11 -10 -20], 0 2 -57 -28 46 81]]

POTE generator: ~49/40 = 351.117

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.013830

Amicable

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 1600000/1594323

Mapping: [1 3 6 5], 0 -20 -52 -31]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 20 52 31 36 -7 -74 ]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 84.880

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Badness: 0.045473

Septidiasemi

Aside from 2401/2400, septidiasemi tempers out 2152828125/2147483648 in the 7-limit. It is so named because the generator is a "septimal diatonic semitone" (0.15 cents flat of 15/14). It is an excellent tuning for 2.3.5.7.13 and 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroups rather than full 13- and 17-limit.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 2152828125/2147483648

Mapping: [1 -1 6 4], 0 26 -37 -12]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 26 -37 -12 -119 -92 76 ]]

POTE generator: ~15/14 = 119.297

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Badness: 0.044115

Sedia

The sedia temperament (10&161, named by Xenllium) is an 11-limit extension of the septidiasemi, which tempers out 243/242 and 441/440.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 939524096/935859375

Mapping: [1 -1 6 4 -3], 0 26 -37 -12 65]]

POTE generator: ~15/14 = 119.279

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.090687

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 2200/2197, 3584/3575

Mapping: [1 -1 6 4 -3 4], 0 26 -37 -12 65 -3]]

POTE generator: ~15/14 = 119.281

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.045773

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 833/832, 2200/2197, 3584/3575

Mapping: [1 -1 6 4 -3 4 2], 0 26 -37 -12 65 -3 21]]

POTE generator: ~15/14 = 119.281

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027322

Maviloid

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 1224440064/1220703125

Mapping: [1 31 34 26], 0 -52 -56 -41]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 52 56 41 -32 -81 -62 ]]

POTE generator: ~1296/875 = 678.810

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Badness: 0.057632

Subneutral

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 274877906944/274658203125

Mapping: [1 19 0 6], 0 -60 8 -11]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 60 -8 11 -152 -151 48 ]]

POTE generator: ~57344/46875 = 348.301

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Badness: 0.045792

Osiris

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 31381059609/31360000000

Mapping: [1 13 33 21], 0 -32 -86 -51]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 32 86 51 62 -9 -123 ]]

POTE generator: ~2800/2187 = 428.066

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Badness: 0.028307

Gorgik

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 28672/28125

Mapping: [1 5 1 3], 0 -18 7 -1]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 18 -7 1 -53 -49 22 ]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 227.512

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Badness: 0.158384

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 176/175, 2401/2400, 2560/2541

Mapping: [1 5 1 3 1], 0 -18 7 -1 13]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 227.500

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.059260

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 176/175, 196/195, 364/363, 512/507

Mapping: [1 5 1 3 1 2], 0 -18 7 -1 13 9]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 227.493

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.032205

Fibo

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 341796875/339738624

Mapping: [1 19 8 10], 0 -46 -15 -19]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 46 15 19 -83 -99 2 ]]

POTE generator: ~125/96 = 454.310

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Badness: 0.100511

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 43923/43750

Mapping: [1 19 8 10 8], 0 -46 -15 -19 -12]]

POTE generator: ~100/77 = 454.318

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.056514

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 385/384, 625/624, 847/845, 1375/1372

Mapping: [1 19 8 10 8 9], 0 -46 -15 -19 -12 -14]]

POTE generator: ~13/10 = 454.316

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027429

Mintone

In addition to 2401/2400, mintone tempers out 177147/175000 = [-3 11 -5 -1 in the 7-limit; 243/242, 441/440, and 43923/43750 in the 11-limit. It has a generator tuned around 49/44. It may be described as the 58&103 temperament, and as one might expect, 25\161 makes for an excellent tuning choice.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 177147/175000

Mapping: [1 5 9 7], 0 -22 -43 -27]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 22 43 27 17 -19 -58 ]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 186.343

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Badness: 0.125672

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 43923/43750

Mapping: [1 5 9 7 12], 0 -22 -43 -27 -55]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 186.345

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.039962

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 847/845

Mapping: [1 5 9 7 12 11], 0 -22 -43 -27 -55 -47]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 186.347

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021849

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 561/560, 847/845

Mapping: [1 5 9 7 12 11 3], 0 -22 -43 -27 -55 -47 7]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 186.348

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.020295

Catafourth

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 78732/78125

Mapping: [1 13 17 13], 0 -28 -36 -25]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 28 36 25 -8 -39 -43 ]]

POTE generator: ~250/189 = 489.235

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Badness: 0.079579

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 78408/78125

Mapping: [1 13 17 13 32], 0 -28 -36 -25 -70]]

POTE generator: ~250/189 = 489.252

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.036785

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 10985/10976

Mapping: [1 13 17 13 32 9], 0 -28 -36 -25 -70 -13]]

POTE generator: ~65/49 = 489.256

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021694

Cotritone

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 390625/387072

Mapping: [1 -13 -4 -4], 0 30 13 14]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 30 13 14 -49 -62 -4 ]]

POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.385

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Badness: 0.098322

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 4000/3993

Mapping: [1 -13 -4 -4 2], 0 30 13 14 3]]

POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.387

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.032225

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 169/168, 364/363, 385/384, 625/624

Mapping: [1 -13 -4 -4 2 -7], 0 30 13 14 3 22]]

POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.387

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.028683