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In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a neutral second if it is reasonably mapped to 1\7 and 3[[24edo|\24]] (precisely one step of the diatonic scale and one and a half steps of the chromatic scale).
In [[just intonation]], an interval may be classified as a neutral second if it is reasonably mapped to 1\7 and 3[[24edo|\24]] (precisely one step of the diatonic scale and one and a half steps of the chromatic scale).


As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 150 [[cents]] in size, distinct from the [[Semitone (interval region)|semitone]] of roughly 100 [[Cent|cents]] and the [[major second]] of roughly 200 ¢. A rough tuning range for the neutral second is 130 to 170 ¢ according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions.
As a concrete [[interval region]], it is typically near 150{{cent}} in size, distinct from the [[Semitone (interval region)|semitone]] of roughly 100{{c}} and the [[major second]] of roughly 200{{c}}. A rough tuning range for the neutral second is 130 to 170{{c}} according to [[Margo Schulter]]'s theory of interval regions.


== In just intonation ==
== In just intonation ==
=== By prime limit ===
=== By prime limit ===
The [[3-limit]] and 5-limit do not have simple neutral seconds, so we start with the 7-limit:
The [[3-limit]] and 5-limit do not have simple neutral seconds, so we start with the 7-limit:

Revision as of 15:03, 3 March 2025

A neutral second (n2) is an interval that spans one step of the diatonic scale with a quality between major and minor. It exists in neutralized diatonic scales as exactly one half of a minor third.

In just intonation, an interval may be classified as a neutral second if it is reasonably mapped to 1\7 and 3\24 (precisely one step of the diatonic scale and one and a half steps of the chromatic scale).

As a concrete interval region, it is typically near 150 ¢ in size, distinct from the semitone of roughly 100 ¢ and the major second of roughly 200 ¢. A rough tuning range for the neutral second is 130 to 170 ¢ according to Margo Schulter's theory of interval regions.

In just intonation

By prime limit

The 3-limit and 5-limit do not have simple neutral seconds, so we start with the 7-limit:

  • The 7-limit septimal neutral second
Todo: complete page

In moment-of-symmetry scales

Intervals between 120 and 171 ¢ generate the following MOS scales:

These tables start from the last monolarge MOS generated by the interval range.

MOSes with more than 12 notes are not included.

Range MOS
120–133 ¢ 1L 8s 9L 1s
133–150 ¢ 1L 7s 8L 1s
150–171 ¢ 1L 6s 7L 1s


ViewTalkEditInterval classification
Interval regions
Unison and octave UnisonComma and diesisOctave
Seconds Minor secondNeutral secondMajor second
Thirds Minor thirdNeutral thirdMajor third
Fourths and fifths Perfect fourthSuperfourthTritoneSubfifthPerfect fifth
Sixths Minor sixthNeutral sixthMajor sixth
Sevenths Minor seventhNeutral seventhMajor seventh
Interseptimal intervals Interseptimal 2nd-3rd • Interseptimal 3rd-4th • Interseptimal 5th-6th • Interseptimal 6th-7th
Interval qualities
Diatonic qualities DiminishedMinorPerfectMajorAugmented
Tuning ranges Neutral (interval quality)Submajor and supraminorPental major and minorNovamajor and novaminorNeogothic major and minorSupermajor and subminorUltramajor and inframinor