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{{Infobox MOS
{{Infobox MOS
| Name =  
| Other names = Lambda
| Equave = 3/1
| nLargeSteps = 4
| nSmallSteps = 5
| Equalized = 2
| Collapsed = 1
| Pattern = LsLsLsLss
}}
}}
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{{MOS intro
Suggested for use as a "diatonic scale" when playing [[Bohlen-Pierce]] is the 9-note [[Lambda]] scale, which is the 4L5s MOS with [[equave]] 3/1. This can be thought of as an MOS generated by a 3.5.7 rank-2 temperament called BPS (Bohlen-Pierce-Stearns) that eliminates only the comma [[245/243]], so that 9/7 * 9/7 = 5/3.
| Other Names = Lambda
This is a very good temperament on the 3.5.7 [[subgroup]], and additionally is supported by many EDT's (and even EDOs!) besides 13-EDT.
}}
Suggested for use as the analog of the [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]] when playing [[Bohlen-Pierce]] is this 9-note Lambda scale, which is the 4L 5s mos with [[equave]] 3/1. This can be thought of as a mos generated by a 3.5.7-[[subgroup]] [[rank-2 temperament]] called [[BPS|BPS (Bohlen-Pierce-Stearns)]] that eliminates only the comma [[245/243]], so that (9/7)<sup>2</sup> is equated with 5/3. This is a very good temperament on the 3.5.7 subgroup, and additionally is supported by many [[edt]]'s (and even [[edo]]s!) besides [[13edt]].


Some low-numbered EDOs that support BPS are 19, 22, 27, 41, and 46, and some low-numbered EDTs that support it are 9, 13, 17, and 30, all of which make it possible to play BP music to some reasonable extent. These equal temperaments contain not only the Lambda BP diatonic scale, but, with the exception 9edt, also the 13-note "Lambda chromatic" MOS scale, or Lambda[13], which can be thought of as a "detempered" version of the 13-EDT Bohlen Pierce scale. This scale may be a suitable melodic substitute for the BP chromatic scale, and is basically the same as how 19-EDO and 31-EDO do not contain 12-EDO as a subset, but they do contain the meantone[12] chromatic scale.
Some low-numbered edos that support BPS are {{EDOs| 19, 22, 27, 41, and 46 }}, and some low-numbered edts that support it are [[9edt|9]], [[13edt|13]], [[17edt|17]], and [[30edt|30]], all of which make it possible to play BP music to some reasonable extent. These equal temperaments contain not only the Lambda "BP diatonic" scale, but, with the exception 9edt, also the 13-note "BP chromatic" mos scale, or BPS[13], which can be thought of as a "detempered" version of the 13edt Bohlen-Pierce scale. This scale may be a suitable melodic substitute for the "BP chromatic" scale, and is basically the same as how 19edo and 31edo do not contain 12edo as a subset, but they do contain the meantone[12] chromatic scale.


When playing this temperament in some EDO, it may be desired to stretch/compress the tuning so that the tritave is pure, rather than the octave being pure - or in general, to minimize the error on the 3.5.7 subgroup while ignoring the error on 2/1.
When playing this temperament in some edo, it may be desired to [[stretched and compressed tuning|stretch/compress the tuning]] so that the tritave is pure, rather than the octave being pure - or in general, to minimize the error on the 3.5.7 subgroup while ignoring the error on 2/1.


One can "add" the octave to BPS temperament by simply creating a new mapping for 2/1. A simple way to do so is to map the 2/1 to +7 of the ~9/7 generators, minus a single tritave. This is [[Sensi]] temperament, in essence treating it as a "3.5.7.2 extension" of the original 3.5.7 BPS temperament.
One can add the octave to BPS temperament by simply creating a new mapping for 2/1. A simple way to do so is to map the 2/1 to +7 of the ~9/7 generators, minus a single tritave. This is [[sensi]] temperament, in essence treating it as a "3.5.7.2-subgroup extension" of the original 3.5.7-subgroup BPS temperament.


== Modes ==
== Modes ==
{{MOS modes}}
{{MOS modes}}


== List of EDT's supporting Lambda Temperament ==
== List of edts supporting the Lambda scale ==
 
Below is a list of equal temperaments which contain a 4L 5s scale using generators between 422.7 cents and 475.5 cents.
 
Below is a list of the equal-temperaments which contain a 4L+5s scale using generators between 422.7 cents and 475.5 cents.


{{Scale tree|depth=7|Comments=9/4:BPS is in this region}}
{{Scale tree|depth=7|Comments=9/4:BPS is in this region}}


*Schism, by which I mean, the most accurate value for 5/3 and-or 7/3 is found outside the 4L+5s MOS.
Schism, by which I<sup>[''who?'']</sup> mean, the most accurate value for 5/3 and-or 7/3 is found outside the 4L 5s MOS.


[Also, the way I see it, as 4edt and 9edt are comparable to 5edo and 7edo, then the "counterparts" of Blackwood and Whitewood would be found in multiples therein and would be octatonic and octadecatonic, e.g. 12edt and 27edt.]
Also, the way I see it, as 4edt and 9edt are comparable to 5edo and 7edo, then the "counterparts" of Blackwood and Whitewood would be found in multiples therein and would be octatonic and octadecatonic, e.g. 12edt and 27edt.{{clarify}}

Revision as of 07:45, 20 May 2024

↖ 3L 4s⟨3/1⟩ ↑ 4L 4s⟨3/1⟩ 5L 4s⟨3/1⟩ ↗
← 3L 5s⟨3/1⟩ 4L 5s (3/1-equivalent) 5L 5s⟨3/1⟩ →
↙ 3L 6s⟨3/1⟩ ↓ 4L 6s⟨3/1⟩ 5L 6s⟨3/1⟩ ↘
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Scale structure
Step pattern LsLsLsLss
ssLsLsLsL
Equave 3/1 (1902.0 ¢)
Period 3/1 (1902.0 ¢)
Generator size(edt)
Bright 2\9 to 1\4 (422.7 ¢ to 475.5 ¢)
Dark 3\4 to 7\9 (1426.5 ¢ to 1479.3 ¢)
Related MOS scales
Parent 4L 1s⟨3/1⟩
Sister 5L 4s⟨3/1⟩
Daughters 9L 4s⟨3/1⟩, 4L 9s⟨3/1⟩
Neutralized 8L 1s⟨3/1⟩
2-Flought 13L 5s⟨3/1⟩, 4L 14s⟨3/1⟩
Equal tunings(edt)
Equalized (L:s = 1:1) 2\9 (422.7 ¢)
Supersoft (L:s = 4:3) 7\31 (429.5 ¢)
Soft (L:s = 3:2) 5\22 (432.3 ¢)
Semisoft (L:s = 5:3) 8\35 (434.7 ¢)
Basic (L:s = 2:1) 3\13 (438.9 ¢)
Semihard (L:s = 5:2) 7\30 (443.8 ¢)
Hard (L:s = 3:1) 4\17 (447.5 ¢)
Superhard (L:s = 4:1) 5\21 (452.8 ¢)
Collapsed (L:s = 1:0) 1\4 (475.5 ¢)

4L 5s⟨3/1⟩, also called Lambda, is a 3/1-equivalent (tritave-equivalent) moment of symmetry scale containing 4 large steps and 5 small steps, repeating every interval of 3/1 (1902.0 ¢). Generators that produce this scale range from 422.7 ¢ to 475.5 ¢, or from 1426.5 ¢ to 1479.3 ¢. Suggested for use as the analog of the diatonic scale when playing Bohlen-Pierce is this 9-note Lambda scale, which is the 4L 5s mos with equave 3/1. This can be thought of as a mos generated by a 3.5.7-subgroup rank-2 temperament called BPS (Bohlen-Pierce-Stearns) that eliminates only the comma 245/243, so that (9/7)2 is equated with 5/3. This is a very good temperament on the 3.5.7 subgroup, and additionally is supported by many edt's (and even edos!) besides 13edt.

Some low-numbered edos that support BPS are 19, 22, 27, 41, and 46, and some low-numbered edts that support it are 9, 13, 17, and 30, all of which make it possible to play BP music to some reasonable extent. These equal temperaments contain not only the Lambda "BP diatonic" scale, but, with the exception 9edt, also the 13-note "BP chromatic" mos scale, or BPS[13], which can be thought of as a "detempered" version of the 13edt Bohlen-Pierce scale. This scale may be a suitable melodic substitute for the "BP chromatic" scale, and is basically the same as how 19edo and 31edo do not contain 12edo as a subset, but they do contain the meantone[12] chromatic scale.

When playing this temperament in some edo, it may be desired to stretch/compress the tuning so that the tritave is pure, rather than the octave being pure - or in general, to minimize the error on the 3.5.7 subgroup while ignoring the error on 2/1.

One can add the octave to BPS temperament by simply creating a new mapping for 2/1. A simple way to do so is to map the 2/1 to +7 of the ~9/7 generators, minus a single tritave. This is sensi temperament, in essence treating it as a "3.5.7.2-subgroup extension" of the original 3.5.7-subgroup BPS temperament.

Modes

Modes of 4L 5s⟨3/1⟩
UDP Cyclic
order
Step
pattern
8|0 1 LsLsLsLss
7|1 3 LsLsLssLs
6|2 5 LsLssLsLs
5|3 7 LssLsLsLs
4|4 9 sLsLsLsLs
3|5 2 sLsLsLssL
2|6 4 sLsLssLsL
1|7 6 sLssLsLsL
0|8 8 ssLsLsLsL

List of edts supporting the Lambda scale

Below is a list of equal temperaments which contain a 4L 5s scale using generators between 422.7 cents and 475.5 cents.

Template:Scale tree

Schism, by which I[who?] mean, the most accurate value for 5/3 and-or 7/3 is found outside the 4L 5s MOS.

Also, the way I see it, as 4edt and 9edt are comparable to 5edo and 7edo, then the "counterparts" of Blackwood and Whitewood would be found in multiples therein and would be octatonic and octadecatonic, e.g. 12edt and 27edt.[clarification needed]