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***[[Module:MOS intervals]] and [[Template:MOS intervals]]
***[[Module:MOS intervals]] and [[Template:MOS intervals]]
***[[Module:MOS mode degrees]] and [[Template:MOS mode degrees]]
***[[Module:MOS mode degrees]] and [[Template:MOS mode degrees]]
***[[Module:MOS in EDO]] and [[Template:MOS in EDO]]
***[[Module:MOS in EDO]] and [[Template:MOS in EDO]]; and [[Module:MOSes in EDO]] and [[Template:MOSes in EDO]]
***[[Module:MOSes in EDO]] and [[Template:MOSes in EDO]] - TODO:
****Todo: write documentation
****Add generation limits (say, a default of 8 generations per genpair max)
****For large mosses, skip the step visualization and just show the step pattern as a sequence of numbers (say, starting at 60edo)
***[[Module:MOS TAMEX|Module:TAMEX]] - A proposed module, much like [[Module:MOS]], that calculates descriptions for descendant mosses.
***[[Module:MOS TAMEX|Module:TAMEX]] - A proposed module, much like [[Module:MOS]], that calculates descriptions for descendant mosses.
***[[Module:MOS step sizes]] and [[Template:MOS step sizes]] - A proposed template that is an abridged version of the mos degeres template, showing only the sizes for the large step, small step, and generators.
***[[Module:MOS step sizes]] and [[Template:MOS step sizes]] - A proposed template that is an abridged version of the mos degeres template, showing only the sizes for the large step, small step, and generators.
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*Other contributions
*Other contributions
**[[Recursive structure of MOS scales|MOS recursion and MOS recursion algorithms]]; tried my best to make the descriptions for MOS recursion apply to all cases (Work-in-progress)
**[[Recursive structure of MOS scales|MOS recursion and MOS recursion algorithms]]; tried my best to make the descriptions for MOS recursion apply to all cases (Work-in-progress)
**Some rewording (and a bunch of reorganization) of the [[TAMNAMS]] page for readability and flow. I have a few TAMNAMS-related proposals of my own that aren't quite ready to be called official, namely:
**Some rewording of the [[TAMNAMS]] page for readability and flow. I have a few TAMNAMS-related proposals of my own that aren't quite ready to be called official. See todo list or TAMNAMS subpage.
***Move names for mosses with step counts 2-5 to the appendix as many of those names were given for completeness.
***Change all names for all monolarge mosses (excluding 1L 6s and mosses named for completeness).
***Standardize TAMEX and clarify the scope of extended TAMNAMS (with the aid of others).
****Clarify what counts as extended tamnams. (Extensions range from extended names to extended step ratios, such as that from CompactStar.)
**[[Horogram|A page for horograms]], since it was totally absent (Work-in-progress).
**[[Horogram|A page for horograms]], since it was totally absent (Work-in-progress).
**[[MOS Scale Family Tree|Mos family tree page]] for a tree I independently discovered before realizing Erv Wilson had already described it. Also has to do with mos recursion.
**[[MOS Scale Family Tree|Mos family tree page]] for a tree I independently discovered before realizing Erv Wilson had already described it. Also has to do with mos recursion.
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***7L 2s
***7L 2s
***4L 2s
***4L 2s
* Refine TAMNAMS proposals with guidance of inthar and others:
**TAMNAMS naming extension for mosses with more than 10 notes.
***Standardize terminology
***Names go up to and, in some cases, beyond 3rd mosdescendants
***Make it clear that prefixes for differentiating different mosdescendants are optional
***Discuss temperament-agnostic alternatives to mosdescendant prefixes???
*Clean up mos recursion page (because I feel bad leaving the algorithms untouched and untested for so long).
**Replace pseudocode for is-this-scale-a-mos? program with python code; clarify with more examples.
** Relate mos recursion with the mos family tree.
*Composing music with these abstract ideas.


*Important edo pages have a subpage or related page that lists all of the possible mosses for every possible generator. Deployed examples include:
===Wish list===
**[[MOS scales of 17edo]]
 
**[[List of MOS scales in 12edo]]
*Important edo pages have a subpage or related page that lists all of the possible mosses for every possible generator.
**[[31edo MOS scales]]
**I've provided examples for [[MOS scales of 17edo|17edo]] and [[31edo MOS scales|31edo]] as a table, but it should be possible to turn this into a template.
**[[29edo/MOS scales]]
*Mos pages standardization; through the aid of templates, the most important mos pages should display the following information:
**Also, standardize the title to be "List of MOS scales in n-edo"
*Mos page standardization; through the aid of templates, the most important mos pages should display the following information:
**A standardized introductory paragraph. (Fulfilled)
**A standardized introductory paragraph. (Fulfilled)
** A listing of its modes, their step patterns, and names, if it has any. (Fulfilled)
** A listing of its modes, their step patterns, and names, if it has any. (Fulfilled)
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***Certain non-octave mosses should have their own names. (I have such a system, but it hasn't been discussed with others yet.)
***Certain non-octave mosses should have their own names. (I have such a system, but it hasn't been discussed with others yet.)
**Note: Less important mosses (such as those with very few note counts) or under-explored mosses (typically those with higher note counts) don't need all of the info described above. See [[User:Ganaram inukshuk/MOS page standardization guide]] for a proposed guide.
**Note: Less important mosses (such as those with very few note counts) or under-explored mosses (typically those with higher note counts) don't need all of the info described above. See [[User:Ganaram inukshuk/MOS page standardization guide]] for a proposed guide.
*Clean up mos recursion page (because I feel bad leaving the algorithms untouched and untested for so long).
**Replace pseudocode for is-this-scale-a-mos? program with python code; clarify with more examples.
** Relate mos recursion with the mos family tree.
=== Wishlist ===
* Composing music with these abstract ideas.


==Subpages==
==Subpages==

Revision as of 10:23, 8 December 2023

I generally go by "Ganaram" or some variant of that (ganaram_inukshuk, gdinuk). (Discord: ganaraminukshuk0; he/they; generally more active on the Xen Discord unless work bogs me down.)

I've heard about microtonality on and off over the years, but what drew me into the topic was two things: HEHEHE I AM A SUPAHSTAR SAGA's video series on 19edo and Patricia Taxxon's song Spiral Staircase.

From a compositional perspective, my goal is to incorporate xenharmonic elements into an otherwise normal-sounding song, though my more ambitious goal is to not use the diatonic (LLLsLLs) scale structure at all.

From a theory perspective, my goal is to better understand xenharmony from a temperament-agnostic perspective. This primarily means edos and MOSses, but extends to MV3 scales and higher.

From a wikian perspective, my goal is to better the wiki itself, at least as it pertains to how mos-related info is displayed. The most immediate way to achieve this is to create and deploy templates for the most commonly displayed mos-related info, as well as wikifying any text present (so it looks like an actual wiki page!) and trying to verify the source or attribution to things taken for granted (because misattribution happens concerningly). I've written a style guide to be applied to all mos pages (see subpages below), but I'm also open to better ideas.

Main mindset

I summarize my main mindset using the following trinity: temperaments, mosses, and edos are not each other.

Temperaments produce mosses, but two different temperaments may produce the same mos. Edos support more than one family of mos, so it's fruitless to shoehorn the notation meant for one mos for a different mos within the same edo. Two temperaments may produce the same JI ratio, but have different qualities in different mosses.

This level of decoupling makes it so I don't let any one temperament, mos, or edo influence how I look at either. Just because a nondiatonic mos has a perfect 5th doesn't mean I should think of it as such, especially if that isn't the generator to begin with.

That said, I focus more on mosses and, secondarily, edos when it comes to this trinity. I prefer to look at scales based in a temperament-agnostic sense, as mosses that are supported by an edo, or different edos. Doing so relieves me of the expectation that a certain interval must necessarily fall within a few cents of a JI ratio and lets me be more explorative with musical scales. This is also less names to memorize, since there are a lot of temperament names, and looking at mosses directly means fewer names to remember.

Other running assumptions and techniques may be found under the methodologies page below.

TO-DO list, major contributions, and wish list

Contributions

To-do list

  • Rewrite important mos pages according to style guide (see subpages section).
    • Mosses whose pages have been rewritten to meet the style guide to satisfactory levels (that doesn't mean the pages can't be polished further!):
      • 5L 1s
      • 5L 2s
      • 4L 3s
      • 3L 4s
      • 2L 5s
      • 1L 5s
      • 7L 1s
      • 3L 7s
    • Mosses whose pages I've touched on but are considered work-in-progress:
      • 3L 5s
      • 7L 2s
      • 4L 2s
  • Refine TAMNAMS proposals with guidance of inthar and others:
    • TAMNAMS naming extension for mosses with more than 10 notes.
      • Standardize terminology
      • Names go up to and, in some cases, beyond 3rd mosdescendants
      • Make it clear that prefixes for differentiating different mosdescendants are optional
      • Discuss temperament-agnostic alternatives to mosdescendant prefixes???
  • Clean up mos recursion page (because I feel bad leaving the algorithms untouched and untested for so long).
    • Replace pseudocode for is-this-scale-a-mos? program with python code; clarify with more examples.
    • Relate mos recursion with the mos family tree.
  • Composing music with these abstract ideas.

Wish list

  • Important edo pages have a subpage or related page that lists all of the possible mosses for every possible generator.
    • I've provided examples for 17edo and 31edo as a table, but it should be possible to turn this into a template.
  • Mos pages standardization; through the aid of templates, the most important mos pages should display the following information:
    • A standardized introductory paragraph. (Fulfilled)
    • A listing of its modes, their step patterns, and names, if it has any. (Fulfilled)
    • A listing of the mos's note names, usually in diamond-mos notation. (Fulfilled, not deployed)
    • A listing of its interval sizes and scale degrees. (Fulfilled for scale degrees, not deployed)
    • A listing of its mos relatives, around 2 generations away?
    • A scale tree that shows the tuning range and supported edos. (Fulfilled by CompactStar)
    • A means of looking up mos names, particularly TAMNAMS names. (Fulfilled by Inthar; octave-specific names only)
      • For mosses with more than 10 notes, mos descendant names are used. (These names currently aren't standardized, so this currently can't be done.)
      • Certain non-octave mosses should have their own names. (I have such a system, but it hasn't been discussed with others yet.)
    • Note: Less important mosses (such as those with very few note counts) or under-explored mosses (typically those with higher note counts) don't need all of the info described above. See User:Ganaram inukshuk/MOS page standardization guide for a proposed guide.

Subpages

These pages contain content that currently don't have an exact place elsewhere on the Wiki, or contains personal notes that otherwise don't have an exact place on the Wiki. I do my best to explain these things as though I magically forgot everything I know about xenharmony, so I consider it a bonus if someone else found this easy to understand.

These pages are descriptions on how I approach various things, such as compositional techniques and how I approach a scale I've never used before.

Sandbox page (for testing things)

Test pages