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The '''magic family''' of temperaments tempers out [[3125/3072]], the small diesis or magic comma. A magic temperament is optimal, for some searches, in the [[9-odd-limit]]. It has slightly higher complexity than [[Meantone family|meantone]] and is also closer to just intonation. It is the simplest rank-2 temperament that tunes every 9-odd-limit interval better than is possible in [[12edo]]. Properties may depend on tuning and extension. | The '''magic family''' of temperaments tempers out [[3125/3072]], the small diesis or magic comma. A magic temperament is optimal, for some searches, in the [[9-odd-limit]]. It has slightly higher complexity than [[Meantone family|meantone]] and is also closer to just intonation. It is the simplest rank-2 temperament that tunes every 9-odd-limit interval better than is possible in [[12edo|12EDO]]. Properties may depend on tuning and extension. | ||
The most prominent deficiency of magic temperaments is that they lack [[Rothenberg propriety|proper]] or nearly-proper MOS scales in the 5 to 10 note "diatonic" region. | The most prominent deficiency of magic temperaments is that they lack [[Rothenberg propriety|proper]] or nearly-proper MOS scales in the 5 to 10 note "diatonic" region. | ||
= Five limit magic = | = Five limit magic = | ||
The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is [[3125/3072]], the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is {{monzo| -10 -1 5 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 5 1 -10 }} for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)<sup>5</sup> = 3 × 3125/3072. 13\41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19\60, the [[optimal patent val]] generator, also makes a lot of sense and using [[19edo]] or [[22edo]] is always possible. | The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is [[3125/3072]], the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is {{monzo| -10 -1 5 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 5 1 -10 }} for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)<sup>5</sup> = 3 × 3125/3072. 13\41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19\60, the [[optimal patent val]] generator, also makes a lot of sense and using [[19edo|19EDO]] or [[22edo|22EDO]] is always possible. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5 | Subgroup: 2.3.5 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 41, 60, 221c, 281c }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 19, 41, 60, 221c, 281c }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0.039163 | |||
== Seven-limit extensions == | == Seven-limit extensions == | ||
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{{main| Magic }} | {{main| Magic }} | ||
Magic tempers out not only 3125/3072 and 875/864, but also [[225/224]], [[245/243]], and [[10976/10935]]. [[41edo]] is a good magic tuning, and 19 or 22 note MOS are possible scales. Five major thirds approximate 3/1. Twelve major thirds, less an octave, approximate 7/1. | Magic tempers out not only 3125/3072 and 875/864, but also [[225/224]], [[245/243]], and [[10976/10935]]. [[41edo|41EDO]] is a good magic tuning, and 19 or 22 note MOS are possible scales. Five major thirds approximate 3/1. Twelve major thirds, less an octave, approximate 7/1. | ||
Magic, with its accurate fifths, works well with [[9-odd-limit]] harmony. It is more accurate than [[meantone]] and simpler than [[Garibaldi temperament|garibaldi]]. It is a little tricky to work with because in its fifths are a relatively complex interval and it does not naturally work with scales of around seven notes to the octave. | Magic, with its accurate fifths, works well with [[9-odd-limit]] harmony. It is more accurate than [[meantone]] and simpler than [[Garibaldi temperament|garibaldi]]. It is a little tricky to work with because in its fifths are a relatively complex interval and it does not naturally work with scales of around seven notes to the octave. | ||
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245/243, the [[Sensamagic clan|sensamagic]] comma, leads to another essentially tempered 9-odd-limit triad with two thirds approximating 9/7 and the other 6/5. It also divides the approximate 3/2 into two steps of 7/6 and one of 10/9. | 245/243, the [[Sensamagic clan|sensamagic]] comma, leads to another essentially tempered 9-odd-limit triad with two thirds approximating 9/7 and the other 6/5. It also divides the approximate 3/2 into two steps of 7/6 and one of 10/9. | ||
By adding [[100/99]] to the list of commas, magic can be extended to an 11-limit version, {{multival| 5 1 12 -8 … }}. For this, [[104edo]] provides an excellent tuning, as it does also for the rank-3 temperaments tempering out 100/99 with 225/224, 245/243 or 875/864. Septimage (see below) is also an excellent 11-limit magic tuning. | By adding [[100/99]] to the list of commas, magic can be extended to an 11-limit version, {{multival| 5 1 12 -8 … }}. For this, [[104edo|104EDO]] provides an excellent tuning, as it does also for the rank-3 temperaments tempering out 100/99 with 225/224, 245/243 or 875/864. Septimage (see below) is also an excellent 11-limit magic tuning. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 41, 142cd, 183cd, 224cd }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 19, 41, 142cd, 183cd, 224cd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0.018918 | |||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Tempering 100/99 allows for a tritone substitution where the extended 5-limit tuning of a dominant seventh with a 9/5 above the root shares its tritone with an 8:10:11:12:16 chord rooted on the seventh of the original chord. (The tritone of the dominant seventh is (9/5)/(5/4) = 36/25. (16/11)/(36/25) = 100/99.) | Tempering 100/99 allows for a tritone substitution where the extended 5-limit tuning of a dominant seventh with a 9/5 above the root shares its tritone with an 8:10:11:12:16 chord rooted on the seventh of the original chord. (The tritone of the dominant seventh is (9/5)/(5/4) = 36/25. (16/11)/(36/25) = 100/99.) | ||
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* strict range: [378.947, 381.818] | * strict range: [378.947, 381.818] | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19, 22, 41, 104, 145c }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.020352 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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* strict range: [378.947, 381.818] | * strict range: [378.947, 381.818] | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19, 22f, 41, 265cdef }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.021509 | ||
=== Sorcery === | === Sorcery === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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* strict range: 378.947 | * strict range: 378.947 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19, 22, 41f }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.025829 | ||
=== Necromancy === | === Necromancy === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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* strict range: [380.488, 380.952] | * strict range: [380.488, 380.952] | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19f, 22, 41, 63, 104 }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.025275 | ||
=== Soothsaying === | === Soothsaying === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.508 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.508 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 22, 60, 82 }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.055443 | ||
== Telepathy == | == Telepathy == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 381.019 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 381.019 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19e, 22, 41e, 63e }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.027109 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.520 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.520 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19e, 22, 41ef }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.025522 | ||
== Horcrux == | == Horcrux == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.642 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.642 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19, 41ee, 60ee }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.039282 | ||
== Divination == | == Divination == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.233 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.233 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 22, 38d, 60e, 142cde }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.035864 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.920 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.920 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 22f, 60e }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.034551 | ||
== Witchcraft == | == Witchcraft == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.232 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.232 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 41, 60e, 101cd, 243cde }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.030706 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.189 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.189 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 41, 60e, 101cd }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.023547 | ||
== Hocus == | == Hocus == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~14/11 = 409.910 | POTE generator: ~14/11 = 409.910 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 38d, 41, 120cd, 161cd, 202cd }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.038519 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~14/11 = 410.004 | POTE generator: ~14/11 = 410.004 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 41, 79d, 120cd }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.030280 | ||
= Muggles = | = Muggles = | ||
Aside from 3125/3072 and 525/512 muggles also tempers out [[126/125]] and 1323/1280. A good muggles tuning is [[19edo]], in which tuning it's the same thing as magic. Muggles works better for small scales than magic in the sense that 7 or 10 note MOS are reasonable choices. | Aside from 3125/3072 and 525/512 muggles also tempers out [[126/125]] and 1323/1280. A good muggles tuning is [[19edo|19EDO]], in which tuning it's the same thing as magic. Muggles works better for small scales than magic in the sense that 7 or 10 note MOS are reasonable choices. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 16, 19, 73bcd, 92bcd }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 16, 19, 73bcd, 92bcd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.056206 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 377.724 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 377.724 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 16, 19, 35, 54bd }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.048038 | ||
== 13-limit == | == 13-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 377.724 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 377.724 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 16, 19, 35f, 54bdf }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.030386 | ||
= Astrology = | = Astrology = | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 6, 16, 22, 60d, 82d }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 6, 16, 22, 60d, 82d }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.082673 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.530 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 380.530 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 6, 16, 22, 60de, 82de }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.039151 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.787 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.787 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 6, 16, 22, 38f }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.034376 | ||
; Music | ; Music | ||
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=== Horoscope === | === Horoscope === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.837 | POTE generator: ~5/4 = 379.837 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 16, 22f, 38 }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.035284 | ||
= Spell = | = Spell = | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[POTE generator]]: ~28/25 = 189.927 | [[POTE generator]]: ~28/25 = 189.927 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 6, 19, | {{Val list|legend=1| 6, 19, 82dd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.080958 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~11/10 = 190.285 | POTE generator: ~11/10 = 190.285 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 6, 19, 44de, 63dee, 82ddee }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.059791 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~11/10 = 189.928 | POTE generator: ~11/10 = 189.928 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 6, 19, 82ddeeff }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.045591 | ||
=== Cantrip === | === Cantrip === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~11/10 = 190.360 | POTE generator: ~11/10 = 190.360 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 19, 44de, 63dee, 82ddee }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.041603 | ||
= Hocum = | = Hocum = | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 38, 41, 161c, 202c, 243c, 284c }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 38, 41, 161c, 202c, 243c, 284c }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.107115 | ||
= Trismegistus = | = Trismegistus = | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 16, 25, 41, 139c, 180c, 221c, 262c }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 16, 25, 41, 139c, 180c, 221c, 262c }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.098334 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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Mapping: [{{val| 1 10 4 0 13 }}, {{val| 0 -15 -3 5 -17 }}] | Mapping: [{{val| 1 10 4 0 13 }}, {{val| 0 -15 -3 5 -17 }}] | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 16, 25e, 41, 98c, 139c, 180c }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.045623 | ||
== 13-limit == | == 13-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~22/15 = 673.359 | POTE generator: ~22/15 = 673.359 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 16, 25e, 41, 98c, 139cf }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.033081 | ||
= Quadrimage = | = Quadrimage = | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 6, 35, 41, 158cd, 199cd, 240cd, 281cd }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 6, 35, 41, 158cd, 199cd, 240cd, 281cd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]]: 0.127422 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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POTE generator: ~28/25 = 204.956 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 204.956 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 6, 35, 41, 199cde, 240cde, 281cde }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.061572 | ||
== 13-limit == | == 13-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
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POTE generator: ~28/25 = 205.028 | POTE generator: ~28/25 = 205.028 | ||
{{Val list | Vals: {{Val list| 41, 117c, 158cd, 199cdef }} | ||
Badness: 0. | Badness: 0.044047 | ||
[[Category:Regular temperament theory]] | [[Category:Regular temperament theory]] | ||