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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
With [[3/1|harmonic 3]] less than a cent flat, [[5/1|harmonic 5]] a bit over three cents sharp and [[7/1|7]] | With [[3/1|harmonic 3]] less than a cent flat, [[5/1|harmonic 5]] a bit over three cents sharp and [[7/1|7]] less flat than that, 77edo represents an excellent tuning choice for both [[valentine]] (hence also [[Carlos Alpha]]), the {{nowrap|31 & 46}} temperament, and [[starling]], the [[rank-3 temperament]] [[tempering out]] [[126/125]], giving the [[optimal patent val]] for [[11-limit]] valentine and its [[13-limit]] extension [[valentino]], as well as 11-limit starling and [[oxpecker]] temperaments. For desirers of purer/more convincing harmonies of 19, it's also a great choice for [[nestoria]] (the extension of schismic to prime 19) so that ~16:19:24 can be heard to concord in isolation. It also gives the optimal patent val for [[grackle]] and various members of the [[unicorn family]], with a [[generator]] of 4\77 instead of the 5\77 (which gives valentine); it is a very good choice for full-subgroup [[unicorn]]. These are 7-limit [[unicorn family #Alicorn|alicorn]] and 11- and 13-limit [[unicorn family #Camahueto|camahueto]]. | ||
77et tempers out [[32805/32768 | 77et tempers out the [[schisma]] (32805/32768) in the [[5-limit]]; [[126/125]], [[1029/1024]], and [[6144/6125]] in the 7-limit; [[121/120]], [[176/175]], [[385/384]], and [[441/440]] in the 11-limit; and [[196/195]], [[351/350]], [[352/351]], [[676/675]] and [[729/728]] in the 13-limit. | ||
The [[17/1|17]] and [[19/1|19]] are tuned fairly well, making it [[consistent]] to the no-11 [[21-odd-limit]]. The equal temperament tempers out [[256/255]] in the 17-limit; and [[171/170]], [[361/360]], [[513/512]], and [[1216/1215]] in the 19-limit. | The [[17/1|17]] and [[19/1|19]] are tuned fairly well, making it [[consistent]] to the no-11 [[21-odd-limit]]. The equal temperament tempers out [[256/255]] in the 17-limit; and [[171/170]], [[361/360]], [[513/512]], and [[1216/1215]] in the 19-limit. | ||
It also does surprisingly well (for its size) in a large range of very high odd-limits (41 to 125 range). | |||
=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|77}} | {{Harmonics in equal|77|columns=9}} | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|77|columns=10|start=10|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of prime harmonics in 77edo (continued)}} | |||
=== Subsets and supersets === | |||
Since 77 factors into primes as {{nowrap|7 × 11}}, 77edo contains [[7edo]] and [[11edo]] as subset edos. | |||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3" | {| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! # | ||
! Cents | ! Cents | ||
! Approximate | ! Approximate ratios* | ||
! [[Ups and downs notation]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0 | ||
| 1/1 | | 1/1 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=0}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 15. | | 15.6 | ||
| 81/80, 91/90, 99/98, 105/104 | | 81/80, 91/90, 99/98, 105/104 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=1}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 31. | | 31.2 | ||
| 49/48, 55/54, 64/63, 65/64, ''100/99'' | | 49/48, 55/54, 64/63, 65/64, ''100/99'' | ||
| {{UDnote|step=2}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
| 46. | | 46.8 | ||
| 33/32, 36/35, 40/39, ''45/44'', ''50/49'' | | 33/32, 36/35, 40/39, ''45/44'', ''50/49'' | ||
| {{UDnote|step=3}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 4 | | 4 | ||
| 62. | | 62.3 | ||
| 26/25, 27/26, 28/27 | | 26/25, 27/26, 28/27 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=4}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
| 77. | | 77.9 | ||
| 21/20, 22/21, 25/24 | | 21/20, 22/21, 25/24 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=5}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 6 | | 6 | ||
| 93. | | 93.5 | ||
| 18/17, 19/18, 20/19 | | 18/17, 19/18, 20/19 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=6}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 109. | | 109.1 | ||
| 16/15, 17/16 | | 16/15, 17/16 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=7}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 8 | | 8 | ||
| 124. | | 124.7 | ||
| 14/13, 15/14 | | 14/13, 15/14 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=8}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 9 | | 9 | ||
| 140. | | 140.3 | ||
| 13/12 | | 13/12 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=9}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 10 | | 10 | ||
| 155. | | 155.8 | ||
| ''11/10'', 12/11 | | ''11/10'', 12/11 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=10}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| 171. | | 171.4 | ||
| 21/19 | | 21/19 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=11}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 12 | | 12 | ||
| 187. | | 187.0 | ||
| 10/9 | | 10/9 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=12}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | | 13 | ||
| 202. | | 202.6 | ||
| 9/8 | | 9/8 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=13}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 14 | | 14 | ||
| 218. | | 218.2 | ||
| 17/15 | | 17/15 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=14}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 15 | | 15 | ||
| 233. | | 233.8 | ||
| 8/7 | | 8/7 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=15}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 16 | | 16 | ||
| 249. | | 249.4 | ||
| 15/13, 22/19 | | 15/13, 22/19 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=16}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 17 | | 17 | ||
| 264. | | 264.9 | ||
| 7/6 | | 7/6 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=17}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 18 | | 18 | ||
| 280. | | 280.5 | ||
| 20/17 | | 20/17 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=18}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 19 | | 19 | ||
| 296. | | 296.1 | ||
| 13/11, 19/16, 32/27 | | 13/11, 19/16, 32/27 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=19}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 20 | | 20 | ||
| 311. | | 311.7 | ||
| 6/5 | | 6/5 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=20}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 21 | | 21 | ||
| 327. | | 327.3 | ||
| 98/81 | | 98/81 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=21}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 22 | | 22 | ||
| 342. | | 342.9 | ||
| 11/9, 17/14 | | 11/9, 17/14 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=22}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 23 | | 23 | ||
| 358. | | 358.4 | ||
| 16/13, 21/17 | | 16/13, 21/17 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=23}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 24 | | 24 | ||
| 374. | | 374.0 | ||
| 26/21, 56/45 | | 26/21, 56/45 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=24}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 25 | | 25 | ||
| 389. | | 389.6 | ||
| 5/4 | | 5/4 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=25}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 26 | | 26 | ||
| 405. | | 405.2 | ||
| 19/15, 24/19, 33/26 | | 19/15, 24/19, 33/26 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=26}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 27 | | 27 | ||
| 420. | | 420.8 | ||
| 14/11, 32/25 | | 14/11, 32/25 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=27}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 28 | | 28 | ||
| 436. | | 436.4 | ||
| 9/7 | | 9/7 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=28}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 29 | | 29 | ||
| 451. | | 451.9 | ||
| 13/10 | | 13/10 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=29}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 30 | | 30 | ||
| 467. | | 467.5 | ||
| 17/13, 21/16 | | 17/13, 21/16 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=30}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 31 | | 31 | ||
| 483. | | 483.1 | ||
| 120/91 | | 120/91 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=31}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 32 | | 32 | ||
| 498. | | 498.7 | ||
| 4/3 | | 4/3 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=32}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 33 | | 33 | ||
| 514. | | 514.3 | ||
| 27/20 | | 27/20 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=33}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 34 | | 34 | ||
| 529. | | 529.9 | ||
| 19/14 | | 19/14 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=34}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 35 | | 35 | ||
| 545. | | 545.5 | ||
| 11/8, ''15/11'', 26/19 | | 11/8, ''15/11'', 26/19 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=35}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 36 | | 36 | ||
| 561. | | 561.0 | ||
| 18/13 | | 18/13 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=36}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 37 | | 37 | ||
| 576. | | 576.6 | ||
| 7/5 | | 7/5 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=37}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 38 | | 38 | ||
| 592. | | 592.2 | ||
| 24/17, 38/27, 45/32 | | 24/17, 38/27, 45/32 | ||
| {{UDnote|step=38}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| … | | … | ||
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| … | | … | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki />* As a 19-limit temperament | <nowiki/>* As a 19-limit temperament | ||
== Notation == | |||
=== Ups and downs notation === | |||
77edo can be notated using [[ups and downs notation|ups and downs]]. Trup is equivalent to quudsharp, trudsharp is equivalent to quup, etc. | |||
{{Sharpness-sharp7a}} | |||
Alternatively, sharps and flats with arrows borrowed from [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] can be used: | |||
{{Sharpness-sharp7}} | |||
=== Sagittal notation === | |||
==== Evo flavor ==== | |||
<imagemap> | |||
File:77-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 591 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]] | |||
rect 120 80 220 106 [[64/63]] | |||
rect 220 80 340 106 [[33/32]] | |||
default [[File:77-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
==== Revo flavor ==== | |||
<imagemap> | |||
File:77-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 543 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]] | |||
rect 120 80 220 106 [[64/63]] | |||
rect 220 80 340 106 [[33/32]] | |||
default [[File:77-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
== Approximation to JI == | |||
=== Zeta peak index === | |||
{{ZPI | |||
| zpi = 414 | |||
| steps = 76.9918536925042 | |||
| step size = 15.5860645308353 | |||
| tempered height = 8.194847 | |||
| pure height = 8.145298 | |||
| integral = 1.311364 | |||
| gap = 17.029289 | |||
| octave = 1200.12696887432 | |||
| consistent = 10 | |||
| distinct = 10 | |||
}} | |||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
{ | {| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | ||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | |||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | |||
|- | |||
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢) | |||
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 2.3 | | 2.3 | ||
Line 196: | Line 299: | ||
| 32805/32768, 1594323/1562500 | | 32805/32768, 1594323/1562500 | ||
| {{mapping| 77 122 179 }} | | {{mapping| 77 122 179 }} | ||
| | | −0.336 | ||
| 0.785 | | 0.785 | ||
| 5.04 | | 5.04 | ||
Line 203: | Line 306: | ||
| 126/125, 1029/1024, 10976/10935 | | 126/125, 1029/1024, 10976/10935 | ||
| {{mapping| 77 122 179 216 }} | | {{mapping| 77 122 179 216 }} | ||
| | | −0.021 | ||
| 0.872 | | 0.872 | ||
| 5.59 | | 5.59 | ||
Line 220: | Line 323: | ||
| 0.974 | | 0.974 | ||
| 6.25 | | 6.25 | ||
|} | |||
=== Rank-2 temperaments === | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{ | {| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |||
|- | |||
! Periods<br>per 8ve | |||
! Generator* | |||
! Cents* | |||
! Associated<br>ratio* | |||
! Temperament | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 4\77 | | 4\77 | ||
| 62. | | 62.3 | ||
| 28/27 | | 28/27 | ||
| [[Unicorn]] / alicorn (77e) / camahueto (77) / qilin (77) | | [[Unicorn]] / alicorn (77e) / camahueto (77) / qilin (77) | ||
Line 233: | Line 343: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 5\77 | | 5\77 | ||
| 77. | | 77.9 | ||
| 21/20 | | 21/20 | ||
| [[Valentine]] | | [[Valentine]] | ||
Line 239: | Line 349: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 9\77 | | 9\77 | ||
| 140. | | 140.3 | ||
| 13/12 | | 13/12 | ||
| [[Tsaharuk]] | | [[Tsaharuk]] | ||
Line 245: | Line 355: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 15\77 | | 15\77 | ||
| 233. | | 233.8 | ||
| 8/7 | | 8/7 | ||
| [[Guiron]] | | [[Guiron]] | ||
Line 251: | Line 361: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 16\77 | | 16\77 | ||
| 249. | | 249.4 | ||
| 15/13 | | 15/13 | ||
| [[Hemischis]] (77e) | | [[Hemischis]] (77e) | ||
Line 257: | Line 367: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 20\77 | | 20\77 | ||
| 311. | | 311.7 | ||
| 6/5 | | 6/5 | ||
| [[Oolong]] | | [[Oolong]] | ||
Line 263: | Line 373: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 23\77 | | 23\77 | ||
| 358. | | 358.4 | ||
| 16/13 | | 16/13 | ||
| [[Restles]] | | [[Restles]] | ||
Line 269: | Line 379: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 31\77 | | 31\77 | ||
| 483. | | 483.1 | ||
| 45/34 | | 45/34 | ||
| [[Hemiseven]] | | [[Hemiseven]] | ||
Line 275: | Line 385: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 32\77 | | 32\77 | ||
| 498. | | 498.7 | ||
| 4/3 | | 4/3 | ||
| [[Grackle]] | | [[Grackle]] | ||
Line 281: | Line 391: | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 34\77 | | 34\77 | ||
| 529. | | 529.9 | ||
| 512/375 | | 512/375 | ||
| [[Tuskaloosa]] | | [[Tuskaloosa]] / [[muscogee]] | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 36\77 | |||
| 561.0 | |||
| 18/13 | |||
| [[Demivalentine]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 32\77<br | | 32\77<br>(1\77) | ||
| 498. | | 498.7<br>(15.6) | ||
| 4/3<br | | 4/3<br>(81/80) | ||
| [[Absurdity]] | | [[Absurdity]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| 32\77<br | | 32\77<br>(3\77) | ||
| 498. | | 498.7<br>(46.8) | ||
| 4/3<br | | 4/3<br>(36/35) | ||
| [[Hendecatonic]] | | [[Hendecatonic]] | ||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
== Instruments == | |||
=== Skip fretting === | |||
'''Skip fretting system 77 9 11''' is a [[skip fretting]] system that tunes strings 11\77 apart, with frets placed at intervals of 9\77, or 8.555...-edo. All examples on this page are for 7-string [[guitar]]. | |||
; Intervals | |||
0\77=1/1: string 2 open | |||
77\77=2/1: string 7 fret 11 | |||
45\77=3/2: string 2 fret 5 | |||
25\77=5/4: string 1 fret 4 | |||
62\77=7/4: string 6 fret 2 | |||
35\77=11/8: string 4 fret 10 | |||
54\77=13/8: string 2 fret 6 | |||
7\77=17/16: string 1 fret 2 | |||
19\77=19/16: string 5 fret 7 | |||
40\77=23/16: string 4 fret 2 | |||
; Chords | |||
x00030x: Neutral 9th (saj6, v5) | |||
=== Keyboards === | |||
[[Lumatone mapping for 77edo|Lumatone mappings for 77edo]] are available. | |||
== Music == | == Music == | ||
; [[Bryan Deister] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wSZez2KgP2U ''microtonal improvisation in 77edo''] (2025) | |||
; [[Jake Freivald]] | ; [[Jake Freivald]] | ||
* [http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Freivald-J.-A-Seed-Planted-2nd-Version-77edo.mp3 ''A Seed Planted'']{{dead link}}, in an [https://web.archive.org/web/20190412162407/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/1391 organ version] of [[Claudi Meneghin]]. | * [http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Freivald-J.-A-Seed-Planted-2nd-Version-77edo.mp3 ''A Seed Planted'']{{dead link}}, in an [https://web.archive.org/web/20190412162407/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/1391 organ version] of [[Claudi Meneghin]]. |