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'''Historical temperaments''' are [[temperament]]s which saw use during historical times and places, most commonly medieval, early modern or industrial-age Europe.
{{distinguish|Subgroup temperaments#Historical}}
'''Historical temperaments''' are [[temperament]]s which saw use during historical times and places. The term is most commonly used to refer to tunings from medieval, early modern or industrial-age Europe.


== Examples ==
== Examples ==
Examples include:
Here are some examples of historical temperaments. Some of these temperaments saw widespread usage, some saw limited usage, and some were discussed merely as thought experiments. Some were referred to by their current name, while others went by a different name to the modern one, but still described the same mathematical object.


* [[Pythagorean tuning]]
* [[Pythagorean tuning]]


* [[Meantone]]
* [[Meantone]] (sorted by: tuning of [[3/2]], flattest to sharpest)
**[[1-2_syntonic_comma_meantone|1/2 comma]] (''Fogliano 1529)''
**[[19edo]] (<small>''Costeley 1558''</small>)<ref>''Seigneur Dieu ta pitié'' - Guillaume Costeley, 1558</ref>
**[[19edo]] (''Costello a.k.a. Costeley 1558'')
**'''[[1/3-comma meantone|1/3 comma]]''' (<small>''Salinas 1577''</small>)<ref>''De musica libri septem'' - Francisco de Salinas, 1577</ref>
**[[1-3_Syntonic_Comma_Meantone|1/3 comma]] (''Salinas 1577'')
**[[Lucy tuning|Lucy]] (<small>''Harrison 1775''</small>)<ref>''Concerning Such Mechanism'' - John Harrison, 1775</ref>
**[[2-7_Syntonic_Comma_Meantone|2/7 comma]] (''Zarlino 1558'')
**[[2/7-comma meantone|2/7 comma]] (<small>''Zarlino 1558''</small>)<ref>''Le istitutioni harmoniche'' - Gioseffo Zarlino, 1558</ref>
**[[5/18 comma meantone|5/18 comma]] (''Smith 1749'')
**[[5/18-comma meantone|5/18 comma]] (<small>''Smith 1749''</small>)<ref>''Harmonics, or The philosophy of musical sounds'' - Robert Smith, 1749</ref>
**[[50edo]] (''Henfling 1710'')
**[[50edo]] (<small>''Henfling 1710''</small>)<ref name="Monzo"> [http://www.tonalsoft.com/enc/m/meantone.aspx ''Meantone - Tonalsoft'' - Joseph Monzo, 2005]</ref>*
**[[7/26 comma meantone|7/26 comma]] (''Woolhouse 1835'')
**[[7/26-comma meantone|7/26 comma]] (<small>''Woolhouse 1835''</small>)<ref>''Essay on musical intervals'' - Wesley S. B. Woolhouse, 1835</ref>
**[[Golden meantone|Golden]] (''Kornerup 1930'')
**[[Golden meantone|Golden]] (<small>''Kornerup 1930''</small>)<ref name="Monzo" />*
**[[Quarter-comma meantone|1/4 comma]] (''Schlick 1511'' & ''Aron 1523'')
**'''[[Quarter-comma meantone|1/4 comma]]''' (<small>''Aron 1523''</small>)<ref>''Toscanello de la Musica'' - Pietro Aron, 1523</ref>
**[[31edo]] (''Vicentino 1555'')
**[[31edo]] (''<small>Vicentino 1555</small><ref>''L'Antica musica ridotta alla moderna prattica'' - Nicola Vicentino, 1555</ref><small> (possibly)</small><ref>''Theories of chromatic and Enharmonic Music in Late 16th Century Italy - Chromatic systems (or non-systems) from Vicentino to Monteverdi'' - Karol Berger, 1980</ref><small> & Huygens 1691</small>''<ref>''Lettre touchant le cycle harmonique'' - Christiaan Huygens, 1691''</ref>)
**[[2/9 comma meantone|2/9 comma]] (''Rossi 1666'' & ''Drobisch 1855'')
**[[2/9-comma meantone|2/9 comma]] (<small>''Rossi 1666''</small><ref>''Sistema musico ouero Musica speculativa'' - Lemme Rossi, 1666</ref><small> & ''Drobisch 1852''</small><ref>''Über musikalische Tonbestimmung und Temperatur'' - Moritz Wilhelm Drobisch, 1852</ref>)
**[[74edo]] (''Riccati 1762'')
**[[74edo]] (<small>''Riccati 1762''</small>)<ref name="Monzo" />*
**[[3/14 comma meantone|3/14 comma]] (''Riccati 1762'')
**[[3/14-comma meantone|3/14 comma]] (<small>''Riccati 1762''</small>)<ref name="Monzo" />*
**[[1-5_Syntonic_Comma_Meantone|1/5 comma]] (''Verheyen c. 1600'' & ''Sauveur 1701'')
**'''[[1/5-comma meantone|1/5 comma]]''' (<small>''Verheyen c. 1600''</small><ref>Abraham Verheyen's letter to Simon Stevin, c. 1600</ref><small> & ''Sauveur 1701''</small><ref name="Sauveur1">''Archives of the Académie des Sciences, Paris, Procès verbaux, vol. 20'', February through April 1701</ref><ref name="Sauveur2">''Mémoires de l'Académie Royale des Sciences (Paris, 1701)'', pages 299–366</ref>)
**[[43edo]] (''Sauveur 1701'')
**[[43edo]] (<small>''Sauveur 1701''</small>)<ref name="Sauveur1" /><ref name="Sauveur2" />
**[[55edo]] (''Beer <1722'')
**[[55edo]] (<small>''Beer <1722''</small>)<ref name="Monzo" />*
**[[1/6_syntonic_comma_meantone|1/6 comma]] (''Silbermann <1748'')
**'''[[1/6-comma meantone|1/6 comma]]''' (<small>''Silbermann <1748''</small>)<ref>''Gespräch zwischen einem Musico theoretico und einem Studioso Musices von der Prätorianischen, Printzischen Werkmeisterischen ... Temperatur, wie auch von dem neuen Systemate ... Telemanns zur Beförd. reiner Harmonie.'' - Georg Andreas Sorge, 1748</ref>
**[[12edo]] (''Chu Tsai-yü 1596'')
**[[4/25-comma meantone|4/25 comma]] (<small>''Marsh 1809''</small>)<ref>''Containing the Perfection of Eighteenth-century Temperament, the Lost Art of Nineteenth-century Temperament, and the Science of Equal Temperament, Complete with Instructions for Aural and Electronic Tuning'' - Owen Jorgensen, 1991</ref>*
**'''[[1/7-comma meantone|1/7 comma]]''' (<small>''Romieu 1758''</small>)<ref>''Tuning and Temperament: A Historical Survey'' p. 126 - James Murray Barbour, 1953</ref>*
**[[12edo]] (<small>''Chu Tsai-yü 1596''</small>)<ref>''Prince Chu Tsai-Yü's Life and Work: A Re-Evaluation of His Contribution to Equal Temperament Theory'' - Fritz A. Kuttner, 1975</ref>


* [[Well temperament]]
* [[Well temperament]] (sorted by: date described, oldest to youngest)
**[[Kellner]]
** [[Fogliano]] (<small>1529</small>)<ref>''Accurate meantone tuning based on Fogliano'' - Claudio Di Veroli, 2018 ([https://www.academia.edu/95315365/Accurate_meantone_tuning_based_on_Fogliano_2018 accessible at Academia.edu])</ref>
** Kirnberger
** Werckmeister (<small>1691</small>)<ref>''Musicalische Temperatur'' - Andreas Werckmeister, 1691</ref>
***[[Kirnberger I]]
*** [[Werck3|Werckmeister III]]
***[[Kirnberger II]]
*** [[Werckmeister IV]]
***[[Kirnberger|Kirnberger III]]
*** [[Werckmeister V]]
**Neidhart
*** [[Septenarius]] (Werckmeister VI)
***[[Hof]] (''court'')
** [[Vallotti]] (<small>1728</small>)<ref>''Della scienza teorica e pratica della moderna musica'' - Francesco Vallotti, written 1728, published 1779</ref>
***[[Grosse stadt]] (''large town'')
** Neidhart (<small>1732</small>)<ref>''Sectio canonis harmonici'' - Johann Georg Neidhardt, 1724</ref><ref>''Gäntzlich erschöpfte, mathematische Abtheilungen des diatonisch-chromatischen, temperirten Canonis Monochordi'' - Johann Georg Neidhardt, 1732 ([https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/view/bsb10527538?q=%28G%C3%A4ntzlich+ersch%C3%B6pfte,+Mathematische+Abtheilungen+des+Diatonisch-Chromatischen,+temperirten+Canonis+Monochordi%29&page=5 digitized copy])</ref>
***[[Kleine stadt]] (''small town'')
*** [[Hof 1732]] (<small>Name translates to ''Court''</small>)
***[[Dorf]] (''village'')
*** [[Grosse stadt 1732]] (<small>Name translates to ''Large town''</small>)
**[[Temperament ordinaire]]
*** [[Kleine stadt 1732]] (<small>Name translates to ''Small town''</small>)
**[[Vallotti]]
*** [[Dorf 1732]] (<small>Name translates to ''Village''</small>)
** Werckmeister
** [[Temperament ordinaire]]
***[[Werckmeister I]]
*** D'Alembert (<small>1752</small>)<ref>''Élémens de musique, theorique et pratique, suivant les principes de Monsieur Rameau'' - Jean-Baptiste le Rond d’Alembert, 1752</ref>
***[[Werckmeister II]]
*** Rousseau (<small>1767</small>)<ref>''Dictionnaire de Musique'' - Jean-Jacques Rousseau, 1767</ref>
***[[Werck3|Werckmeister III]]
** [[Johann Kirnberger|Kirnberger]] (<small>1774</small>)<ref>''Die Kunst des reinen Satzes in der Musik'' - Johaan Philipp Kirnberger, 1774</ref>
***[[Werckmeister IV]] (''Orgelprobe'')
*** [[Kirnberger I]]
***[[Werckmeister V]]
*** [[Kirnberger II]]
***[[Werckmeister VI]] (''Septenarius'')
*** [[Kirnberger III]]
** Young
** Young<ref>''Philosophical Transactions'' pages 143-147 - Royal Society of London, 1800</ref>
*** Young I (''see [[Vallotti]]'')
*** [[Young I]] (<small>1800</small>)
***[[Young2|Young II]]
*** Young II (<small>''same as [[Vallotti]] 1728''</small>)


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Families of scales]]
* ''[[Seigneur Dieu ta pitié]]'' - a historical (1558) composition for 19edo, important to the history of tuning
* [[Georgian|Georgian musical tradition]]
* [[Ancient Greek]] musical tradition
**[[Kartvelian scale]]
** [[Tetrachord]]s
**[[Kartvelian scales]]
* [[Kellner well temperament]] - Dr [[Herbert Anton Kellner]]'s approximation of Bach's well temperament, from his book ''Wie stimme ich selbst mein Cembalo'' (1975).
* [[List of approaches to musical tuning]]
* Temperament extradordinaire (a modern temperament inspired by the historical ''Temperament ordinaire'')
* [[:Category:People|People]]
* [[Pre-Columbian South American Music|Pre-Columbian South American musical traditions]]
* ''[[Seigneur Dieu ta pitié]]'' (historical composition in 19edo)
* Temperament extradordinaire (modern temperament inspired by the historical Temperament ordinaire)
** Tempered: [[Qcmte84a]]
** Tempered: [[Qcmte84a]]
** Just: [[Secor5_23TX]]
** Just: [[Secor5_23TX]]
* [[Tetrachord]]
* [[Pre-Columbian South American Music|Pre-Columbian South American musical traditions]]
* [[Ibo Ortgies]] - musicologist and historian focusing on historical temperaments
 
== External resources ==
Many of these include diagrams and measurements of historical temperaments:
* [https://unm.academia.edu/FredSturm A Clear and Practical Introduction to Temperament History Parts 1-9 (Fred Sturm)]
* [https://public.websites.umich.edu/~bpl/larips/lindleyortgies.html Bach-Style Keyboard Tuning (Lindley & Ortgies 2006)]
* [http://harpsichords.pbworks.com/w/page/16830827/Tuning Harpsichords Wiki - Tuning]
* [http://harpsichords.pbworks.com/f/Neidhardt_1732_Charts.pdf Neidhardt’s 21 temperaments of 1732]
* [http://harpsichords.pbwiki.com/f/Neidhardt_1732_Charts.pdf Neidhardt’s 21 temperaments of 1732] (alternate link in case the first one returns an error)
* [https://www.rollingball.com/images/HT.pdf rollingball.com Historical Temperaments Visualised (PDF version)]
 
== Notes ==
<nowiki>*historical source needed</nowiki>{{todo|research|expand}}
 
<references />


[[Category:Lists of temperaments]]
[[Category:Lists of temperaments]]
[[Category:Historical]]
[[Category:Historical]]
[[Category:Todo:expand]]

Latest revision as of 17:06, 10 April 2025

Not to be confused with Subgroup temperaments#Historical.

Historical temperaments are temperaments which saw use during historical times and places. The term is most commonly used to refer to tunings from medieval, early modern or industrial-age Europe.

Examples

Here are some examples of historical temperaments. Some of these temperaments saw widespread usage, some saw limited usage, and some were discussed merely as thought experiments. Some were referred to by their current name, while others went by a different name to the modern one, but still described the same mathematical object.

See also

External resources

Many of these include diagrams and measurements of historical temperaments:

Notes

*historical source needed

  1. ↑ Seigneur Dieu ta pitié - Guillaume Costeley, 1558
  2. ↑ De musica libri septem - Francisco de Salinas, 1577
  3. ↑ Concerning Such Mechanism - John Harrison, 1775
  4. ↑ Le istitutioni harmoniche - Gioseffo Zarlino, 1558
  5. ↑ Harmonics, or The philosophy of musical sounds - Robert Smith, 1749
  6. ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 Meantone - Tonalsoft - Joseph Monzo, 2005
  7. ↑ Essay on musical intervals - Wesley S. B. Woolhouse, 1835
  8. ↑ Toscanello de la Musica - Pietro Aron, 1523
  9. ↑ L'Antica musica ridotta alla moderna prattica - Nicola Vicentino, 1555
  10. ↑ Theories of chromatic and Enharmonic Music in Late 16th Century Italy - Chromatic systems (or non-systems) from Vicentino to Monteverdi - Karol Berger, 1980
  11. ↑ Lettre touchant le cycle harmonique - Christiaan Huygens, 1691
  12. ↑ Sistema musico ouero Musica speculativa - Lemme Rossi, 1666
  13. ↑ Über musikalische Tonbestimmung und Temperatur - Moritz Wilhelm Drobisch, 1852
  14. ↑ Abraham Verheyen's letter to Simon Stevin, c. 1600
  15. ↑ 15.0 15.1 Archives of the Académie des Sciences, Paris, Procès verbaux, vol. 20, February through April 1701
  16. ↑ 16.0 16.1 Mémoires de l'Académie Royale des Sciences (Paris, 1701), pages 299–366
  17. ↑ Gespräch zwischen einem Musico theoretico und einem Studioso Musices von der Prätorianischen, Printzischen Werkmeisterischen ... Temperatur, wie auch von dem neuen Systemate ... Telemanns zur Beförd. reiner Harmonie. - Georg Andreas Sorge, 1748
  18. ↑ Containing the Perfection of Eighteenth-century Temperament, the Lost Art of Nineteenth-century Temperament, and the Science of Equal Temperament, Complete with Instructions for Aural and Electronic Tuning - Owen Jorgensen, 1991
  19. ↑ Tuning and Temperament: A Historical Survey p. 126 - James Murray Barbour, 1953
  20. ↑ Prince Chu Tsai-Yü's Life and Work: A Re-Evaluation of His Contribution to Equal Temperament Theory - Fritz A. Kuttner, 1975
  21. ↑ Accurate meantone tuning based on Fogliano - Claudio Di Veroli, 2018 (accessible at Academia.edu)
  22. ↑ Musicalische Temperatur - Andreas Werckmeister, 1691
  23. ↑ Della scienza teorica e pratica della moderna musica - Francesco Vallotti, written 1728, published 1779
  24. ↑ Sectio canonis harmonici - Johann Georg Neidhardt, 1724
  25. ↑ Gäntzlich erschöpfte, mathematische Abtheilungen des diatonisch-chromatischen, temperirten Canonis Monochordi - Johann Georg Neidhardt, 1732 (digitized copy)
  26. ↑ Élémens de musique, theorique et pratique, suivant les principes de Monsieur Rameau - Jean-Baptiste le Rond d’Alembert, 1752
  27. ↑ Dictionnaire de Musique - Jean-Jacques Rousseau, 1767
  28. ↑ Die Kunst des reinen Satzes in der Musik - Johaan Philipp Kirnberger, 1774
  29. ↑ Philosophical Transactions pages 143-147 - Royal Society of London, 1800
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