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| Title = Ultrapyth | |||
| Subgroups = 2.3.5.7, 2.3.5.7.13 | |||
| Comma basis = [[64/63]], [[6860/6561]] (2.3.5.7)<br>[[64/63]], [[91/90]], [[6125/6084]] (2.3.5.7.13) | |||
| Edo join 1 = 5 | Edo join 2 = 32 | |||
| Mapping = 1; 1 14 -2 18 | |||
| Generators = 3/2 | |||
| Generators tuning = 713.6 | |||
| Optimization method = CWE | |||
| MOS scales = [[5L 7s]], [[5L 12s]], [[5L 17s]], [[5L 22s]] | |||
| Pergen = (P8, P5) | |||
| Odd limit 1 = 7 | Mistuning 1 = 11.4 | Complexity 1 = 17 | |||
| Odd limit 2 = 2.3.5.7.13 21 | Mistuning 2 = 22.8 | Complexity 2 = 22 | |||
}} | |||
'''Ultrapyth''' is an alternative [[extension]] of the [[archy]] [[chain of fifths]] to [[superpyth]]. Like superpyth, it is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of [[8/7]][[~]][[9/8]], tempering out [[64/63]]. The difference is that instead of extending to 2.3.5.7 by mapping 5 to +9 generators, it extends to the 2.3.7.13/5 subgroup (known as '''oceanfront''') by mapping the ultramajor third [[13/10]] to +4 generators (which is also the diatonic major third), tempering out [[91/90]]. This makes sense because the tunings of 2.3.7 archy that optimize for the simplest 2.3.7 intervals (8/7 and [[7/6]]) are sharp of the optimal tuning for 9/7, making that third more ultramajor than supermajor. If intervals of 5 and 13 independently are desired (i.e. [[5/4]], [[13/8]]), then oceanfront may be extended to ultrapyth by mapping 5 to +14 fifths (a double-augmented unison) and 13 to +18 fifths (a double-augmented third). The best tunings for ultrapyth are between 712 and 714 cents. | '''Ultrapyth''' is an alternative [[extension]] of the [[archy]] [[chain of fifths]] to [[superpyth]]. Like superpyth, it is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of [[8/7]][[~]][[9/8]], tempering out [[64/63]]. The difference is that instead of extending to 2.3.5.7 by mapping 5 to +9 generators, it extends to the 2.3.7.13/5 subgroup (known as '''oceanfront''') by mapping the ultramajor third [[13/10]] to +4 generators (which is also the diatonic major third), tempering out [[91/90]]. This makes sense because the tunings of 2.3.7 archy that optimize for the simplest 2.3.7 intervals (8/7 and [[7/6]]) are sharp of the optimal tuning for 9/7, making that third more ultramajor than supermajor. If intervals of 5 and 13 independently are desired (i.e. [[5/4]], [[13/8]]), then oceanfront may be extended to ultrapyth by mapping 5 to +14 fifths (a double-augmented unison) and 13 to +18 fifths (a double-augmented third). The best tunings for ultrapyth are between 712 and 714 cents. | ||
If intervals of 11 are desired, [[14/11]] may be mapped to +9 generators, implying [[16/11]] is (fittingly) mapped to +11 generators and [[11/9]] is tempered together with 6/5 (a feature common to many systems with sharp fifths). | If intervals of 11 are desired, [[14/11]] may be mapped to +9 generators, implying [[16/11]] is (fittingly) mapped to +11 generators and [[11/9]] is tempered together with 6/5 (a feature common to many systems with sharp fifths). | ||
The oceanfront [[mos scale]]s take the form of | The oceanfront [[mos scale]]s take the form of {{nowrap| 5L (5''n'' + 2)s }}, for ''n'' up to 7. Most of these scales resemble [[5edo]]. [[37edo]] makes a good tuning of oceanfront or ultrapyth. | ||
Both ''oceanfront'' and ''ultrapyth'' were named by [[Mike Battaglia]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_98570.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The Biosphere'']</ref>. | |||
For technical data, see [[The Biosphere #Oceanfront]] and [[Archytas clan #Ultrapyth]]. | For technical data, see [[The Biosphere #Oceanfront]] and [[Archytas clan #Ultrapyth]]. | ||
== | == Interval chain == | ||
{| class="wikitable" | <div><div style="display: inline-grid; margin-right: 25px;"> | ||
|+ | {| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | ||
!# | |+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Oceanfront (2.3.7.13/5) | ||
!Cents | |- | ||
!Approximate ratios | ! # !! Cents* !! Approximate ratios | ||
!Approximate ratios | |- | ||
| 0 || 0.0 || '''1/1''' | |||
|- | |||
| 1 || 711.7 || '''3/2''' | |||
|- | |||
| 2 || 223.5 || '''8/7''', '''9/8''' | |||
|- | |||
| 3 || 935.2 || 12/7, 26/15 | |||
|- | |||
| 4 || 447.0 || 9/7, 13/10 | |||
|- | |||
| 5 || 1158.7 || 27/14, 39/20 | |||
|- | |||
| 6 || 670.4 || 52/35, 72/49 | |||
|- | |||
| 7 || 182.2 || 39/35, 54/49 | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* In 2.3.7.13/5-subgroup [[CWE]] tuning, <br>octave reduced | |||
</div></div> | |||
<div><div style="display: inline-grid;"> | |||
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Ultrapyth | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="3" | # !! rowspan="3" | Cents* !! colspan="3" | Approximate ratios | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | 2.3.5.7.13 subgroup !! colspan="2" | Full 13-limit extensions | |||
|- | |||
! Ultrapyth !! Ultramarine | |||
|- | |||
| 0 || 0.0 || '''1/1''' || || | |||
|- | |||
| 1 || 713.6 || '''3/2''' || || | |||
|- | |||
| 2 || 227.3 || '''8/7''', '''9/8''' || || | |||
|- | |||
| 3 || 940.9 || 12/7, 26/15 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 4 || 454.5 || 9/7, 13/10 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 5 || 1168.1 || 27/14, 39/20 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 6 || 681.8 || 52/35, 72/49 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 7 || 195.4 || 39/35, 54/49 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 8 || 909.0 || 81/49, 117/70 || 56/33 || 22/13 | |||
|- | |||
| 9 || 422.7 || 35/27 || 14/11 || 33/26 | |||
|- | |||
| 10 || 1136.3 || 25/13, 35/18 || 21/11, 64/33 || 88/45 | |||
|- | |||
| 11 || 649.9 || 35/24, 40/27 || '''16/11''' || 22/15 | |||
|- | |||
| 12 || 163.5 || 10/9 || 12/11 || 11/10 | |||
|- | |||
| 13 || 877.2 || 5/3 || 18/11 || 33/20 | |||
|- | |||
| 14 || 390.8 || '''5/4''' || || | |||
|- | |||
| 15 || 1104.4 || 15/8, 40/21, 52/27 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 16 || 618.1 || 10/7, 13/9 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 17 || 131.7 || 13/12, 15/14 || || | |||
|- | |||
| 18 || 845.3 || '''13/8''' || || | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* In 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup CWE tuning, octave reduced | |||
</div></div> | |||
== Tunings == | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 7-limit norm-based tunings | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! rowspan="2" | | ||
| | ! colspan="3" | Euclidean | ||
| | |- | ||
! Constrained | |||
! Constrained & skewed | |||
! Destretched | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! Tenney | ||
|713. | | CTE: ~3/2 = 713.2179{{c}} | ||
| | | CWE: ~3/2 = 713.5430{{c}} | ||
| | | POTE: ~3/2 = 713.6509{{c}} | ||
| | |} | ||
=== Tuning spectrum === | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-4" | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Edo<br>generator | |||
| | ! [[Eigenmonzo|Unchanged interval<br>(eigenmonzo)]]* | ||
! Generator (¢) | |||
! Comments | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 3/2 | ||
| | | 701.955 | ||
| Pythagorean tuning | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 9/7 | ||
| 708.771 | |||
| | | | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | [[22edo|13\22]] | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 709.091 | ||
| | | 22ccff val | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 7/6 | |||
| | | 711.043 | ||
| | | | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | [[27edo|16\27]] | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 711.111 | ||
| | | 27cf val | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | '''[[32edo|19\32]]''' | ||
| | | | ||
| | | '''712.500''' | ||
| | | '''Lower bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 15/8 | |||
| | | 712.551 | ||
| | | | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 15/14 | ||
| | | 712.908 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 5/4 | ||
| | | 713.308 | ||
| | | 7- and 9-odd-limit minimax | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | |13/8 | ||
| | |713.363 | ||
| 2.3.5.7.13 13- to 21-odd-limit minimax | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | '''[[37edo|22\37]]''' | ||
| | | | ||
| | | '''713.514''' | ||
|5 | | '''Lower bound of 2.3.5.7.13 13-odd-limit diamond monotone<br>2.3.5.7.13 15- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone (singleton) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | |13/10 | ||
| | |713.553 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | |14/13 | ||
|713.585 | |||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 7/5 | ||
| 713.593 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | | | ||
|13/12 | |13/12 | ||
|714.034 | |||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 5/3 | ||
| 714.181 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | | | ||
| | |21/13 | ||
|714.197 | |||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | [[42edo|25\42]] | ||
| | | | ||
| 714.286 | |||
| 42f val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 21/20 | |||
| 714.369 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | | | ||
| | |13/9 | ||
|714.789 | |||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | [[47edo|28\47]] | ||
| | | | ||
| 714.894 | |||
| 47bcff val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 9/5 | |||
| 715.200 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 7/4 | |||
| 715.587 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | | | ||
| | |15/13 | ||
|717.420 | |||
| | | | ||
|- | |||
| '''[[5edo|3\5]]''' | |||
| | |||
| '''720.000''' | |||
| '''Upper bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit,<br>2.3.5.7.13 13-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 21/16 | |||
| 729.219 | |||
| | |||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* Besides the octave | |||
== See also == | |||
* [[Oceanfront scales]] | |||
== References == | |||
<references/> | |||
[[Category:Ultrapyth| ]] <!-- Main article --> | [[Category:Ultrapyth| ]] <!-- Main article --> | ||
[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]] | [[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]] | ||
[[Category:Archytas clan]] | [[Category:Archytas clan]] | ||